1 00:00:05,090 --> 00:00:04,370 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:06,230 --> 00:00:05,100 triangle 3 00:00:07,340 --> 00:00:06,240 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:08,930 --> 00:00:07,350 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:08,940 Rendlesham forest incident didn't 6 00:00:13,999 --> 00:00:11,130 doesn't involve aliens at all it was 7 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:14,009 completely silent it comes right over 8 00:00:19,189 --> 00:00:17,369 our head it's so classic flying-saucer 9 00:00:20,779 --> 00:00:19,199 really standing in the clearing he 10 00:00:22,429 --> 00:00:20,789 turned over to my father and held his 11 00:00:28,939 --> 00:00:22,439 hand and he looked in his eyes and said 12 00:00:31,550 --> 00:00:28,949 we're not alone welcome to podcast UFO 13 00:00:33,410 --> 00:00:31,560 for our live show we're live every 14 00:00:35,990 --> 00:00:33,420 Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard 15 00:00:37,970 --> 00:00:36,000 Time on the dark matter radio network 16 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:37,980 please remember to visit the website 17 00:00:45,229 --> 00:00:42,360 podcast UFO calm for past episodes blogs 18 00:00:47,209 --> 00:00:45,239 and forums during the show feel free to 19 00:00:49,729 --> 00:00:47,219 participate live in our chat room and 20 00:00:51,350 --> 00:00:49,739 don't forget to like us on our very 21 00:00:53,510 --> 00:00:51,360 active Facebook page 22 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:53,520 hello and welcome to the show I am 23 00:00:58,250 --> 00:00:56,640 Martin Willis your host and coming up in 24 00:01:00,170 --> 00:00:58,260 just a minute we have the one and only 25 00:01:04,670 --> 00:01:00,180 Alejandro Rojas 26 00:01:06,679 --> 00:01:04,680 with UFO updates our guest today this 27 00:01:08,270 --> 00:01:06,689 evening but it's not evening where he is 28 00:01:12,050 --> 00:01:08,280 is Ben hurl 29 00:01:15,740 --> 00:01:12,060 he's from Victoria Melbourne Australia 30 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:15,750 and interesting guests 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Matter digital 45 00:01:52,850 --> 00:01:50,579 network every Thursday from 10:00 to 46 00:01:53,350 --> 00:01:52,860 midnight and that's Eastern Standard 47 00:01:58,459 --> 00:01:53,360 Time 48 00:02:00,469 --> 00:01:58,469 Alejandro how are you I'm good sorry 49 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:00,479 it's just swallowing some water I always 50 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:02,969 have perfect timing hey did your going 51 00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:05,130 away next week you're not going to be on 52 00:02:11,460 --> 00:02:09,119 the news next week I'm sailing sailing 53 00:02:13,890 --> 00:02:11,470 away 54 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:13,900 and yes we I don't know the other words 55 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:18,370 I glad that dududududu Christopher Cross 56 00:02:25,110 --> 00:02:21,210 right it's not who yeah I think so yeah 57 00:02:28,530 --> 00:02:25,120 yeah yeah I'll be sailing all next week 58 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:28,540 I'm going to attempt to make it an alien 59 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:34,030 and UFO free week so it'll be beach and 60 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:36,700 Sun you may not have any control over 61 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:39,010 that though you know I never do 62 00:02:45,660 --> 00:02:42,640 yeah unfortunately but I mean if UFOs or 63 00:02:48,510 --> 00:02:45,670 aliens appear that would be great that'd 64 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:48,520 be wonderful I'll try to document it but 65 00:02:52,530 --> 00:02:51,040 you probably won't hear about it until I 66 00:02:56,070 --> 00:02:52,540 get back cuz I'm not going to write the 67 00:02:57,510 --> 00:02:56,080 story or anything yeah it's all document 68 00:03:01,949 --> 00:02:57,520 it and then wreck destroy when I get 69 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:01,959 back and so because I'm chillin yeah 70 00:03:07,470 --> 00:03:03,730 awesome that's great 71 00:03:09,570 --> 00:03:07,480 well and did I hear you say you're going 72 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:09,580 to the Sea of Cortez or something like 73 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:13,450 that I'm going to a few places yeah well 74 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:16,450 I'll be going to Cabo so I'm going to go 75 00:03:23,460 --> 00:03:19,450 leave from LA and it'll fight an Tabata 76 00:03:28,460 --> 00:03:23,470 and yeah I'm not familiar with all all 77 00:03:33,509 --> 00:03:28,470 of the seeds that I will be visiting but 78 00:03:34,740 --> 00:03:33,519 well I know I will be on the EC that 79 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:34,750 actually it will be that Gulf of 80 00:03:39,870 --> 00:03:38,470 California uh-huh yeah well great I hope 81 00:03:42,110 --> 00:03:39,880 you have a wonderful time so what's 82 00:03:45,539 --> 00:03:42,120 happening with the UFO news this week 83 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:45,549 UFO it was lots of UFO news out there's 84 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:47,170 some headlines that are kind of cool so 85 00:03:51,690 --> 00:03:48,850 I just want to go over these very 86 00:03:53,820 --> 00:03:51,700 quickly odd and you can find these if 87 00:03:56,009 --> 00:03:53,830 you go to open minds a TV and under the 88 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:56,019 articles and look at daily UFO headlines 89 00:03:59,520 --> 00:03:57,970 because we post them every day you can 90 00:04:02,039 --> 00:03:59,530 see that today's headlines right now 91 00:04:03,900 --> 00:04:02,049 front page but if you want to see the 92 00:04:06,509 --> 00:04:03,910 past ones you just go to article those 93 00:04:07,770 --> 00:04:06,519 you can go to daily UFO headlines and I 94 00:04:10,830 --> 00:04:07,780 just want to mention because there's a 95 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:10,840 couple cool things Vice has written a 96 00:04:16,259 --> 00:04:13,870 story about hot Nick J Allen Hynek who 97 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:16,269 with the consultant to the Air Force 98 00:04:22,409 --> 00:04:19,120 when they investigated UFOs who became a 99 00:04:24,660 --> 00:04:22,419 UFO believer essentially and started I 100 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:24,670 like to say he's like the father of 101 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:27,790 an apology started you search afterwards 102 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:30,280 so that's really cool that's up to check 103 00:04:34,770 --> 00:04:33,010 out there are some other UFO sightings 104 00:04:37,590 --> 00:04:34,780 but I guess one thing we could talk a 105 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:37,600 little more detail a lot out of all of 106 00:04:43,170 --> 00:04:40,810 these is a an article from the the 107 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:43,180 mirror online talking about Peter 108 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:45,550 Robbins so you've had Peter Robbins from 109 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:48,970 the show right oh yes oh yeah mm-hmm guy 110 00:04:52,860 --> 00:04:51,940 so I've had him on before as well known 111 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:52,870 him for years 112 00:04:59,610 --> 00:04:55,510 and to know him is to love him I feel 113 00:05:01,020 --> 00:04:59,620 like yeah I was a great guy yeah but one 114 00:05:02,730 --> 00:05:01,030 thing that's probably been difficult for 115 00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:02,740 you and has been difficult for me is 116 00:05:08,670 --> 00:05:06,430 that early on having met and research 117 00:05:10,110 --> 00:05:08,680 Larry Warren and his claims he was the 118 00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:10,120 first witness to come forward with 119 00:05:15,030 --> 00:05:12,820 Rendlesham you know he just says a lot 120 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:15,040 of stuff that is just I felt from the 121 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:17,650 beginning blatantly not true and then 122 00:05:22,340 --> 00:05:19,360 more and more has come to light about 123 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:22,350 lies and even in his professional career 124 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:26,470 some fraud that he's in trouble for and 125 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:29,050 and that has taken place some of which 126 00:05:34,410 --> 00:05:31,450 has been regarding some Photoshop stuff 127 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:34,420 like even a picture that you build my uh 128 00:05:38,340 --> 00:05:36,610 you know I you glanced and Peter's book 129 00:05:40,620 --> 00:05:38,350 might be benign but it turns out it's 130 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:40,630 attached to this fraud that's been being 131 00:05:45,930 --> 00:05:45,010 committed so uh Peter has finally come 132 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:45,940 out and said I don't trust him anymore 133 00:05:51,090 --> 00:05:48,610 and I i don't believe everything he said 134 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:51,100 interestingly enough now people contend 135 00:05:56,340 --> 00:05:52,570 with but he was the first one to come 136 00:05:58,050 --> 00:05:56,350 out however at the evidence shows and a 137 00:06:00,830 --> 00:05:58,060 lot of people have argued this I mean 138 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:00,840 Linda Howe even said this at our 139 00:06:06,570 --> 00:06:04,930 conference three years ago that she 140 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:06,580 believes and I think she's right that 141 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:10,210 Larry Warren was there I mean he was uh 142 00:06:15,690 --> 00:06:13,240 but he wasn't part of any of the UFO 143 00:06:17,940 --> 00:06:15,700 event his roommate had told him about it 144 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:17,950 and in this letter where he says look 145 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:19,990 this is proof I was there with it with 146 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:22,810 from it that he wrote his mom he says he 147 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:24,610 even refers to something that happened 148 00:06:32,670 --> 00:06:29,410 to these other people not him so uh yeah 149 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:32,680 it's kind of I feel good that Peter has 150 00:06:36,990 --> 00:06:35,050 come out I think that that I don't know 151 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:37,000 if he's been in denial but you know he's 152 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:38,050 a very loyal 153 00:06:42,990 --> 00:06:40,449 to his friends and I think it's real 154 00:06:45,089 --> 00:06:43,000 tellurian and you never want to believe 155 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:45,099 anything a friend of yours it's been 156 00:06:50,939 --> 00:06:46,810 deceiving you over something that's so 157 00:06:52,619 --> 00:06:50,949 important to you so that's an 158 00:06:56,010 --> 00:06:52,629 interesting story so you can read that 159 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:56,020 on the link there but another piece of 160 00:07:00,629 --> 00:06:57,490 news that I think is good and I just 161 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:00,639 wrote about this so I've got a long 162 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:04,560 story is on 60 minutes Robert Bigelow he 163 00:07:10,890 --> 00:07:08,110 was a real estate mogul he owns like the 164 00:07:13,950 --> 00:07:10,900 the budget suites all around the country 165 00:07:16,170 --> 00:07:13,960 so he's this billionaire well some of 166 00:07:17,550 --> 00:07:16,180 you probably know I don't know how much 167 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:17,560 you've covered this on your show but 168 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:20,050 I've covered a lot on my show how 169 00:07:25,499 --> 00:07:22,000 Bigelow has been into UFOs for a long 170 00:07:27,119 --> 00:07:25,509 time and in 1995 started an organization 171 00:07:30,059 --> 00:07:27,129 a natural Institute for discovery 172 00:07:32,629 --> 00:07:30,069 science to research UFOs and other 173 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:32,639 paranormal phenomena once that went away 174 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:35,409 his other interest has been space he 175 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:37,300 started an organization Bigelow 176 00:07:42,149 --> 00:07:40,449 Aerospace and it's an interesting story 177 00:07:45,510 --> 00:07:42,159 and I write about it I write more about 178 00:07:49,339 --> 00:07:45,520 the history of Robert Bigelow regarding 179 00:07:52,499 --> 00:07:49,349 UFOs and space in my story because 180 00:07:54,719 --> 00:07:52,509 essentially he was into space he wanted 181 00:07:56,490 --> 00:07:54,729 to do something all by himself he was 182 00:08:00,059 --> 00:07:56,500 going to these meetings where NASA was 183 00:08:02,999 --> 00:08:00,069 trying to essentially get people to buy 184 00:08:05,129 --> 00:08:03,009 into this project that was dying and he 185 00:08:07,649 --> 00:08:05,139 didn't even have a company or anything 186 00:08:09,450 --> 00:08:07,659 you know and it goes to these meetings 187 00:08:11,580 --> 00:08:09,460 no one wanted to buy the project though 188 00:08:15,420 --> 00:08:11,590 he did which was essentially these 189 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:15,430 inflatable units that can act as their 190 00:08:19,649 --> 00:08:17,650 own space station they can attach to a 191 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:19,659 space station they could be used as a 192 00:08:24,749 --> 00:08:21,490 moon base which is something that he's 193 00:08:28,019 --> 00:08:24,759 trying to do and all by himself he 194 00:08:30,149 --> 00:08:28,029 started this up and and now he's a big 195 00:08:32,850 --> 00:08:30,159 deal in the industry so he was on 60 196 00:08:35,430 --> 00:08:32,860 minutes talking about all of this he's 197 00:08:37,290 --> 00:08:35,440 got an inflatable unit on the 198 00:08:38,370 --> 00:08:37,300 International Space Station right now 199 00:08:41,009 --> 00:08:38,380 right 200 00:08:43,469 --> 00:08:41,019 what's cool about Bigelow is that he is 201 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:43,479 into UFOs and he never shied away about 202 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:46,750 talking about UFOs so they asked him 203 00:08:51,150 --> 00:08:48,310 about UFOs 204 00:08:53,250 --> 00:08:51,160 and he said sure you know I believe in 205 00:08:56,190 --> 00:08:53,260 UFOs I believe that aliens are visiting 206 00:08:59,100 --> 00:08:56,200 us and and you know to me that's the 207 00:09:02,220 --> 00:08:59,110 real deal so really cool really bold 208 00:09:03,030 --> 00:09:02,230 it's funny gives Laura Logan the one who 209 00:09:06,030 --> 00:09:03,040 interviewed him 210 00:09:07,710 --> 00:09:06,040 they she asked is it risky for you to 211 00:09:10,170 --> 00:09:07,720 stay in public that you believe in UFOs 212 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:10,180 and aliens he says I don't give a damn I 213 00:09:14,310 --> 00:09:12,730 don't care if she said you don't worry 214 00:09:16,590 --> 00:09:14,320 that some people will say did you hear 215 00:09:18,390 --> 00:09:16,600 that guy he sounds like he's crazy he 216 00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:18,400 said I don't care it's not going to make 217 00:09:22,769 --> 00:09:19,720 a difference it's not going to change 218 00:09:26,579 --> 00:09:22,779 reality of what I know that's right yeah 219 00:09:28,170 --> 00:09:26,589 I tried to find this as a video the 220 00:09:30,660 --> 00:09:28,180 interview and you can't find it anywhere 221 00:09:32,610 --> 00:09:30,670 I thought perhaps 60 minutes would post 222 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:32,620 us somewhere but they really haven't but 223 00:09:38,220 --> 00:09:34,930 there are transcripts of the entire 224 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:38,230 interview online you can find them even 225 00:09:42,390 --> 00:09:40,510 on the 60 Minutes site and I read 226 00:09:45,450 --> 00:09:42,400 through that yesterday yeah I love it I 227 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:45,460 love it so I've got a link to that in my 228 00:09:50,730 --> 00:09:48,250 story I've got a link I put out you know 229 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:50,740 a transcript of just a UFO portion in my 230 00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:53,050 story and then I go over some of the 231 00:09:57,270 --> 00:09:54,880 controversy that's gone on with 232 00:09:58,950 --> 00:09:57,280 big.little in the UFO community they've 233 00:10:01,770 --> 00:09:58,960 just been really a lot of people have 234 00:10:02,910 --> 00:10:01,780 been vile and mean and maybe some of you 235 00:10:06,030 --> 00:10:02,920 are going but I've heard those rumors 236 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:06,040 Bigelow's bad dude well read my article 237 00:10:10,829 --> 00:10:09,130 because I couple over this and I do have 238 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:10,839 special insight into some of this 239 00:10:15,090 --> 00:10:13,510 because I was on the move for I was a 240 00:10:17,460 --> 00:10:15,100 director with MUFON I was their 241 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:17,470 spokesperson when we went through this 242 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:19,150 procedure of trying to partner with 243 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:22,750 Bigelow Aerospace and so I give my 244 00:10:27,570 --> 00:10:26,050 insight into how that all went down 245 00:10:30,420 --> 00:10:27,580 well could you because I talked about 246 00:10:32,310 --> 00:10:30,430 this just a little bit under the of the 247 00:10:34,470 --> 00:10:32,320 part where I've had people contact me 248 00:10:37,050 --> 00:10:34,480 and give their two cents they said 249 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:37,060 something along the line that Bigelow 250 00:10:44,190 --> 00:10:41,650 was paying for the reports from MUFON 251 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:44,200 and then he was like hiding them away or 252 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:45,730 something like that can you just kind of 253 00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:49,360 put a stop to that that yeah yeah it's 254 00:10:56,579 --> 00:10:51,640 it's so frustrating because it's total 255 00:10:58,560 --> 00:10:56,589 BS now I will say this there was a 256 00:11:00,750 --> 00:10:58,570 here's where I had a disagreement with 257 00:11:01,870 --> 00:11:00,760 the board was MUFON over this whole 258 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:01,880 thing and it wasn't like a 259 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:04,240 big deal it was just we were signing 260 00:11:07,810 --> 00:11:06,710 non-disclosures he they asked us to sign 261 00:11:11,110 --> 00:11:07,820 non-disclosure 262 00:11:14,860 --> 00:11:11,120 for people who were involved with the 263 00:11:17,170 --> 00:11:14,870 project it's no big deal in the in 264 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:17,180 corporations non-disclosure is not as 265 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:19,310 the common thing for practically 266 00:11:25,710 --> 00:11:21,710 everything like every partnership and 267 00:11:29,140 --> 00:11:25,720 also you know I use anonymous sources 268 00:11:31,270 --> 00:11:29,150 that time I have to this FLIR expert 269 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:31,280 that I go to for FLIR videos he doesn't 270 00:11:35,260 --> 00:11:32,660 want to share his name because he's a 271 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:35,270 professional he doesn't want his 272 00:11:39,270 --> 00:11:37,040 reputation to get damaged so that 273 00:11:41,260 --> 00:11:39,280 happened so really when you get into 274 00:11:43,090 --> 00:11:41,270 scientists getting involved with this 275 00:11:46,810 --> 00:11:43,100 you know we've talked to scientists or 276 00:11:48,910 --> 00:11:46,820 other people on uh you know that like 277 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:48,920 for instance the UFO data some of their 278 00:11:53,350 --> 00:11:51,530 participants are anonymous 279 00:11:55,870 --> 00:11:53,360 because they can't reveal their names or 280 00:11:57,970 --> 00:11:55,880 scientists so that's what that was about 281 00:11:59,350 --> 00:11:57,980 my argument was this that if we're going 282 00:12:01,870 --> 00:11:59,360 to sign this document we should tell 283 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:01,880 everybody that we're signing this and 284 00:12:05,770 --> 00:12:04,130 they said no let's not do that we don't 285 00:12:07,330 --> 00:12:05,780 want to make a big deal out of it and I 286 00:12:10,090 --> 00:12:07,340 was afraid it's going to get out anyway 287 00:12:13,210 --> 00:12:10,100 so I said you know I'm just not going to 288 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:13,220 sign it how's that and and what I meant 289 00:12:16,810 --> 00:12:15,110 by that is because I was a spokesperson 290 00:12:19,180 --> 00:12:16,820 I didn't want to be responsible for 291 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:19,190 being accused of being a possible 292 00:12:23,770 --> 00:12:21,050 potential leaker if something happened 293 00:12:25,510 --> 00:12:23,780 or also just so I wouldn't accidentally 294 00:12:26,980 --> 00:12:25,520 say something I shouldn't I felt it was 295 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:26,990 best that I didn't sign it 296 00:12:30,700 --> 00:12:28,910 but there's practically nothing I got to 297 00:12:32,850 --> 00:12:30,710 under know all the ins and outs of the 298 00:12:35,230 --> 00:12:32,860 projects and I was there the whole time 299 00:12:35,910 --> 00:12:35,240 that's not what happened what this was 300 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:35,920 about 301 00:12:40,990 --> 00:12:39,050 was they were funding a special group 302 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:41,000 that could get out and investigate UFOs 303 00:12:46,090 --> 00:12:44,330 very quickly a MUFON group and also they 304 00:12:48,430 --> 00:12:46,100 bought some great equipment for this 305 00:12:50,230 --> 00:12:48,440 group to use and if any scientific 306 00:12:52,780 --> 00:12:50,240 analysis had to be done which is 307 00:12:55,180 --> 00:12:52,790 expensive they said they were do it they 308 00:12:57,010 --> 00:12:55,190 also then had a budget like a monthly 309 00:12:59,380 --> 00:12:57,020 budget going to move on to run this 310 00:13:04,030 --> 00:12:59,390 program to be able to do this it did 311 00:13:07,540 --> 00:13:04,040 include move on forwarding cases to 312 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:07,550 Bigelow Aerospace that's true but they 313 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:10,970 post those cases online also so it was 314 00:13:15,020 --> 00:13:13,430 nothing that the public didn't have 315 00:13:17,420 --> 00:13:15,030 themselves 316 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:17,430 I ask these questions we all ask these 317 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:18,090 questions 318 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:20,730 there was nothing Bigelow was provided 319 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:24,210 that the public was not provided in fact 320 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:25,770 people said oh they were squirreling 321 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:28,650 away cases that's not true at all we 322 00:13:35,090 --> 00:13:32,220 wrote on open minds TV the best cases I 323 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:35,100 have some links in our story and an open 324 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:37,530 minds magazine so I had access to the 325 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:39,330 best stories and you know once the 326 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:41,220 research was done like any of the cases 327 00:13:47,060 --> 00:13:43,650 even today we would post stories about 328 00:13:49,130 --> 00:13:47,070 these great cases so you know there was 329 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:49,140 nothing they had no but everyone else 330 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:49,650 had 331 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:52,290 I also MUFON was fully in charge of 332 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:53,850 these investigations one of the other 333 00:13:59,770 --> 00:13:56,250 controversies is that Oh Bigelow was 334 00:14:03,980 --> 00:13:59,780 showing up at investigations before and 335 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:03,990 there has been some shadiness on you 336 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:05,730 know to be honest some of the volunteers 337 00:14:12,530 --> 00:14:08,370 of move one part around this essentially 338 00:14:14,210 --> 00:14:12,540 what happened in one instance MUFON 339 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:14,220 couldn't get people there quick enough 340 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:16,230 and you know time was going a week two 341 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:18,630 weeks it was going by and MUFON couldn't 342 00:14:21,050 --> 00:14:20,010 get any investigators there because 343 00:14:22,610 --> 00:14:21,060 there were investigators are all 344 00:14:24,620 --> 00:14:22,620 volunteers you know they got to get time 345 00:14:26,090 --> 00:14:24,630 off of work and bright I think this is a 346 00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:26,100 place where you had to drive to and 347 00:14:31,850 --> 00:14:29,220 Bigelow wanted to get there so MUFON 348 00:14:33,620 --> 00:14:31,860 told him it's okay go ahead and you go 349 00:14:35,690 --> 00:14:33,630 you can get there first which was 350 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:35,700 against the protocol that was set up but 351 00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:39,330 they got permission so they went there 352 00:14:42,650 --> 00:14:40,920 they talked to the witnesses and that 353 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:42,660 was it and this started this whole rumor 354 00:14:48,260 --> 00:14:45,480 that Bigelow was going and like the men 355 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:48,270 in black getting in there and talking to 356 00:14:52,010 --> 00:14:50,610 witnesses before MUFON and that was not 357 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:52,020 the case they never did anything like 358 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:55,050 that without permission and you know 359 00:14:59,720 --> 00:14:57,210 there's people been people on the MUFON 360 00:15:02,780 --> 00:14:59,730 side who have been wobbly about this and 361 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:02,790 unfortunately in fostering these 362 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:05,760 conspiracy type of things but it's all 363 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:07,890 BS I mean I was there the whole time so 364 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:10,110 all of this conspiracy stuff and then 365 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:13,110 some other disagreements between money 366 00:15:18,110 --> 00:15:16,410 and and you know ego and stuff like this 367 00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:18,120 got in the way and it eventually all 368 00:15:24,950 --> 00:15:21,360 fell apart but it was a great plan if it 369 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:24,960 had all worked out but unfortunately it 370 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:28,930 didn't rhyme but I personally you know 371 00:15:35,810 --> 00:15:33,610 I I know John Alexander George NAB a lot 372 00:15:39,150 --> 00:15:35,820 of the people he's worked closely with 373 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:39,160 comme Kelleher and these are all great 374 00:15:45,630 --> 00:15:43,510 people and who have just done amazing 375 00:15:47,639 --> 00:15:45,640 things for this field and so his big low 376 00:15:49,290 --> 00:15:47,649 and even when you hear the interviews 377 00:15:51,060 --> 00:15:49,300 with him I mean I think he's coming from 378 00:15:53,460 --> 00:15:51,070 a good place on all of this 379 00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:53,470 and he's a good champion for this topic 380 00:16:00,510 --> 00:15:57,600 and I even go over when Jesse Ventura's 381 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:00,520 people called me and asked me about some 382 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:04,060 of the goofball conspiracy junk they had 383 00:16:10,769 --> 00:16:06,010 come up with stuff that was so silly I 384 00:16:14,370 --> 00:16:10,779 had never even heard about but yeah so 385 00:16:18,420 --> 00:16:14,380 so MUFON has been kind of I want to say 386 00:16:21,449 --> 00:16:18,430 a has been the topic of a lot of 387 00:16:24,139 --> 00:16:21,459 ufologists lately what do you think 388 00:16:27,329 --> 00:16:24,149 about that whole situation alejandro 389 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:27,339 well um I guess what I'll say because 390 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:30,250 I've said stuff on social media even in 391 00:16:35,970 --> 00:16:33,250 the open mind UFO news group on on 392 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:35,980 Facebook you know I've posted a little 393 00:16:40,019 --> 00:16:38,170 bit and I made some comments I guess 394 00:16:41,790 --> 00:16:40,029 I've shared with you that I'm no fan of 395 00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:41,800 the topic of this conference coming up 396 00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:44,800 the next symposium secret space programs 397 00:16:48,750 --> 00:16:46,180 I don't feel there's any credible 398 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:48,760 information and I actually feel some of 399 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:50,170 the people they're having our arch 400 00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:52,450 charlatans to be completely honest and 401 00:16:57,449 --> 00:16:55,870 so I don't feel good about that I don't 402 00:17:01,769 --> 00:16:57,459 think there's evidence I don't think has 403 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:01,779 anything to do with UFOs so I I'm not 404 00:17:08,340 --> 00:17:06,610 cool with that I also you know a lot of 405 00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:08,350 this has to do with John venturi the 406 00:17:13,290 --> 00:17:10,959 Pennsylvania State Director who had some 407 00:17:16,439 --> 00:17:13,300 racist comments to make he's made some 408 00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:16,449 very poorly worded comments and he's 409 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:19,510 attacked you know good researchers in 410 00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:21,970 the past and and I've even had the 411 00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:24,160 school Daman line on social media in our 412 00:17:30,660 --> 00:17:28,000 group so I he's done that in the past 413 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:30,670 but this racist stuff it just should not 414 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:33,610 be tolerated at all I grant I think that 415 00:17:37,620 --> 00:17:35,530 it's unfortunate because when MUFON they 416 00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:37,630 come up with their stance it was like 417 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:39,280 well we can't control people doing 418 00:17:42,540 --> 00:17:41,650 social media sure you can your leaders 419 00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:42,550 there can be read 420 00:17:47,550 --> 00:17:45,070 percussions for that that's a ridiculous 421 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:47,560 response to any corporation would let 422 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:49,330 that person go and apologize for the 423 00:17:53,460 --> 00:17:51,250 incident taking place which is what 424 00:17:55,650 --> 00:17:53,470 should have happened and when key 425 00:17:57,810 --> 00:17:55,660 members began to say they're leaving 426 00:18:00,510 --> 00:17:57,820 over this whole thing you know move on 427 00:18:05,310 --> 00:18:00,520 did that and he is no longer a state 428 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:05,320 director and has been let go and so I it 429 00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:06,970 was unfortunate they didn't make a quick 430 00:18:11,670 --> 00:18:09,220 enough response on that I would say you 431 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:11,680 know with today's leadership Jian Harz 432 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:13,870 and the guy who runs move on right now 433 00:18:20,250 --> 00:18:17,290 is a great guy all of the move on board 434 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:20,260 have their hearts are in the right place 435 00:18:26,190 --> 00:18:23,590 they want to look for the truth they 436 00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:26,200 want to investigate UFOs they're all 437 00:18:31,140 --> 00:18:27,790 wonderful people in their hearts in the 438 00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:31,150 right place I don't agree with a lot of 439 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:34,540 what they think their direction should 440 00:18:41,850 --> 00:18:39,010 be certainly but I still have the utmost 441 00:18:44,460 --> 00:18:41,860 of professional respect for for all of 442 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:44,470 those guys even if I disagree with like 443 00:18:50,190 --> 00:18:48,730 their response to John Ventre they 444 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:50,200 should have acted quicker and more 445 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:53,530 firmly but so I don't know here again 446 00:18:59,160 --> 00:18:56,020 remember MUFON is made up of thousands 447 00:19:02,490 --> 00:18:59,170 of people right everyone who is most 448 00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:02,500 part will intentioned people who just 449 00:19:08,910 --> 00:19:06,120 want to learn more and know more and so 450 00:19:12,990 --> 00:19:08,920 you know that's what it comes down to it 451 00:19:15,090 --> 00:19:13,000 to volunteer organization so does that 452 00:19:18,060 --> 00:19:15,100 answer your question yes Alejandra oh 453 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:18,070 and I want to thank you for a lot of 454 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:20,410 things of course but for actually 455 00:19:25,710 --> 00:19:23,710 tackling that very touchy subject thank 456 00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:25,720 you very much for for talking about it 457 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:28,480 and and I never say this enough thank 458 00:19:34,110 --> 00:19:31,090 you so much for helping us out with the 459 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:34,120 news it's I just love love you and I 460 00:19:39,660 --> 00:19:36,610 love having you on the show and it means 461 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:39,670 a lot to me so well I do feel like you 462 00:19:45,540 --> 00:19:42,970 say @nf and and it's my pleasure I love 463 00:19:47,850 --> 00:19:45,550 doing it great awesome all right well 464 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:47,860 you have yourself a great a great time 465 00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:49,990 out there on the seas and be careful 466 00:19:54,570 --> 00:19:52,480 talk to you in a couple of weeks all 467 00:19:56,060 --> 00:19:54,580 right back to you then all right all 468 00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:56,070 right hang in everyone we'll be right 469 00:20:36,210 --> 00:20:10,520 [Music] 470 00:20:36,220 --> 00:21:08,580 you 471 00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:15,520 [Music] 472 00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,190 hey Ben welcome to the show 473 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:21,600 you know I Martin how are you thank you 474 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:23,130 for having me on the show and good 475 00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:24,240 evening to all your listeners as well 476 00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:26,220 yes I think you were on I can't remember 477 00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,960 was that three years ago or something 478 00:21:34,850 --> 00:21:30,240 like that uh time is just going so fast 479 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:34,860 I I can't remember but yeah the lay 480 00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:37,710 staccato easy go and at the time I think 481 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:39,960 we had a rather lengthy discussion about 482 00:21:45,710 --> 00:21:43,110 the Berks flat bending head loss I love 483 00:21:48,650 --> 00:21:45,720 that one yeah we'll have to left a touch 484 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:48,660 on that at some point but anyway for the 485 00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:52,530 person who is not familiar with you and 486 00:21:58,670 --> 00:21:55,140 also I got a I got to ask you can you on 487 00:22:01,580 --> 00:21:58,680 your on your Skype screen I hate to ask 488 00:22:03,620 --> 00:22:01,590 this live but can you close your chat I 489 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:03,630 can't remember exactly what you do but I 490 00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:05,970 think you click twice on your on your 491 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:06,600 screen 492 00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:09,750 yep hold on because it's cutting you 493 00:22:15,530 --> 00:22:12,480 right out okay 494 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:15,540 yeah that's all done seeing it here okay 495 00:22:18,410 --> 00:22:17,130 that's all right you know I can make an 496 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:18,420 adjustment on this and let me make an 497 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:22,410 adjustment so let's tell the listening 498 00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:24,530 audience a little bit about yourself and 499 00:22:30,170 --> 00:22:28,620 how you got interested in the topic just 500 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:30,180 do you actually see that you don't see 501 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:32,610 the the the text message is right beside 502 00:22:38,180 --> 00:22:36,210 you on your screen you do not so conce 503 00:22:41,260 --> 00:22:38,190 strange okay so let me see if I can 504 00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:41,270 figure out it might be am i and hang on 505 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:44,280 Europe I got it I got it okay well I set 506 00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:45,690 sorry about that 507 00:22:51,530 --> 00:22:49,380 is my fault how about that so yes if you 508 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:51,540 would tell them about yourself and how 509 00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,250 you get interested in the topic and then 510 00:22:57,170 --> 00:22:54,480 of course we're going to talk about the 511 00:22:59,330 --> 00:22:57,180 organization and some great sightings 512 00:23:02,150 --> 00:22:59,340 and I do want to say this I think I've 513 00:23:03,380 --> 00:23:02,160 mentioned that this to you before last 514 00:23:05,660 --> 00:23:03,390 time you were on I think what does 515 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:05,670 Australia have like 26 million people or 516 00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:08,730 something like that that's raw we're a 517 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:10,620 lot less smaller than than the United 518 00:23:15,410 --> 00:23:13,170 States or Europe but it's a large it's a 519 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:15,420 large landmass it's as big as the United 520 00:23:21,050 --> 00:23:17,310 States but it has very that's very 521 00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:21,060 sparsely populated and that makes that 522 00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,710 we're very much centric around this the 523 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:25,440 capital cities and some larger regional 524 00:23:28,529 --> 00:23:26,590 towns in this 525 00:23:30,570 --> 00:23:28,539 country so there's a lots of wide-open 526 00:23:32,490 --> 00:23:30,580 spaces out there where there's hardly 527 00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:32,500 any people at all and it's really made 528 00:23:37,019 --> 00:23:34,750 some wonderful UFO cases that have 529 00:23:38,850 --> 00:23:37,029 occurred here oh yes yeah and uh I know 530 00:23:41,970 --> 00:23:38,860 a lot of people go coastal you know 531 00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:41,980 along the coast there but what I wanted 532 00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:44,470 to say was that you are the third 533 00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:48,460 largest listenership to my shows your 534 00:23:56,730 --> 00:23:51,940 country and yeah it's amazing it's a 535 00:23:58,889 --> 00:23:56,740 u.s. first UK sometimes it's been UK's 536 00:24:01,769 --> 00:23:58,899 been beat out but Australia has always 537 00:24:03,659 --> 00:24:01,779 been in third so a lot of a lot of 538 00:24:07,139 --> 00:24:03,669 listeners a lot of sightings evidently 539 00:24:09,899 --> 00:24:07,149 right there is absolutely yeah 540 00:24:11,820 --> 00:24:09,909 Australians a I think in the 21st 541 00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:11,830 century we're seeing that you know 542 00:24:17,250 --> 00:24:14,559 people these days tend to have I think a 543 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:17,260 lot more I've opened this type of this 544 00:24:22,049 --> 00:24:19,809 type of phenomena I think you know it's 545 00:24:23,130 --> 00:24:22,059 so and people are having not so afraid 546 00:24:26,639 --> 00:24:23,140 to come out and talk about their 547 00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:26,649 experiences now as they were 20 30 40 50 548 00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:29,919 years ago so and I think that people are 549 00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,620 also prepared to to a certain extent 550 00:24:36,269 --> 00:24:34,000 challenge the establishment and things 551 00:24:38,399 --> 00:24:36,279 like that so in the pop I asked you with 552 00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,409 you know people you know if the police 553 00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:39,760 said this or the government said this 554 00:24:42,990 --> 00:24:41,500 people would pretty much you know toe 555 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:43,000 the line but now there's a lot more 556 00:24:47,460 --> 00:24:45,490 freedom out there and with the explosion 557 00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:47,470 of social media over the last you know a 558 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:51,039 few years we've definitely seen a lot 559 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:53,049 more freedom in people's ability to 560 00:24:58,919 --> 00:24:57,010 express now some of that's good and some 561 00:25:00,299 --> 00:24:58,929 of that's bad as well and I think that 562 00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,309 you know sometimes you know some of the 563 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:02,559 critical aspects of UFO investigation 564 00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:04,210 tend to disappear 565 00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,240 so yeah it's but yeah it for our country 566 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:09,840 here you know the sightings are 567 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:12,730 occurring on a very regular basis now 568 00:25:19,139 --> 00:25:17,710 you know good sightings or high quality 569 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:19,149 flaps now they're a little bit rarer 570 00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:22,090 unfortunately and I think you know in 571 00:25:26,399 --> 00:25:23,950 the last few years we've probably been a 572 00:25:28,529 --> 00:25:26,409 little bit of a downward cycle for what 573 00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:28,539 I as a UFO researcher would call 574 00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:31,620 something that had real real grit to it 575 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:35,350 our reporting line gets a lot of reports 576 00:25:40,350 --> 00:25:39,010 coming through and you know a lot of it 577 00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:40,360 still is you your class 578 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:42,070 lights in the sky sort of stuff do you 579 00:25:49,620 --> 00:25:47,770 think it's in your case well I just want 580 00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:49,630 to make take some examples here and like 581 00:25:55,530 --> 00:25:52,960 Roswell Rendlesham forest all Phoenix 582 00:25:58,260 --> 00:25:55,540 lights up a lot of these are you know 583 00:25:59,700 --> 00:25:58,270 older cases but people are still 584 00:26:04,320 --> 00:25:59,710 investigating them 585 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:04,330 quite quite you know intensely I just 586 00:26:10,919 --> 00:26:07,510 had Don Leger last week from shag at the 587 00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:10,929 shag Harbor incident so it's almost like 588 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:15,940 either new things are found out as you 589 00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,620 know more witnesses come forward after 590 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:20,559 say something's publicized on TV or 591 00:26:23,850 --> 00:26:22,210 something like that and someone says oh 592 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:23,860 yeah I saw that or I don't know if you 593 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:27,130 heard about Kurt Russell recently about 594 00:26:31,650 --> 00:26:29,530 the Phoenix lights but so do you have 595 00:26:34,890 --> 00:26:31,660 any cases like that worse I know there's 596 00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,900 Westall where people keep researching 597 00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:36,640 them even though they're you know 598 00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:40,980 historical cases absolutely there's this 599 00:26:45,419 --> 00:26:43,780 strata and Victoria the state where I am 600 00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:45,429 and I will do a little bit of a brief 601 00:26:50,370 --> 00:26:48,790 bio for everybody in a minute Victoria 602 00:26:52,289 --> 00:26:50,380 the state Ryan is down in the 603 00:26:56,850 --> 00:26:52,299 southeastern part of the part of 604 00:27:00,150 --> 00:26:56,860 Australia it's what's the small August 605 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:00,160 mainland state but it's had quite a few 606 00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:02,410 of Australia's greatest UFO incidences 607 00:27:07,049 --> 00:27:05,260 have occurred in our state and yes many 608 00:27:08,669 --> 00:27:07,059 of those have been investigated over the 609 00:27:10,289 --> 00:27:08,679 years and the Westlaw one's a classic 610 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:10,299 example of that that was on the 6th of 611 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:12,970 April 1966 so quite a few years ago now 612 00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:17,010 and that case is continually being bit 613 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:19,809 as two gated even to this day in fact 614 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:21,400 it's probably being investigated more 615 00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:23,110 strongly now that ever has been in any 616 00:27:26,970 --> 00:27:25,240 previous previous point in time 617 00:27:29,159 --> 00:27:26,980 another classic is the Fred Valenta 618 00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:29,169 disappearance in his in his the Cessna 619 00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,020 over Bass Strait in 1978 researchers yes 620 00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:34,000 researchers are still working on that 621 00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:37,870 case you know so these are all chestnuts 622 00:27:42,090 --> 00:27:39,880 but there's still there's still work to 623 00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:42,100 be done in those cases and and it's 624 00:27:46,169 --> 00:27:43,990 important that we do that myself 625 00:27:48,030 --> 00:27:46,179 personally I I've taken a slightly 626 00:27:50,130 --> 00:27:48,040 different route in my approach to to 627 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:50,140 investigation I am involved in some some 628 00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:51,730 of those some of those larger cases as 629 00:27:56,610 --> 00:27:53,830 well but I've tended to focus on 630 00:27:57,090 --> 00:27:56,620 what I call The Forgotten for our part 631 00:28:00,060 --> 00:27:57,100 files 632 00:28:01,710 --> 00:28:00,070 you know the decay this is it of drifted 633 00:28:04,110 --> 00:28:01,720 into urban legend the cases that have 634 00:28:06,269 --> 00:28:04,120 almost fallen off the off the radar the 635 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:06,279 river peony yellowed old newspaper 636 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:08,409 reports from twenty thirty years ago but 637 00:28:12,539 --> 00:28:10,210 effectively for the public now those 638 00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:12,549 cases have been forgotten so that's 639 00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:14,169 where I like to spend my time looking at 640 00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:16,750 looking at perhaps cases that aren't 641 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:19,750 quite so quite so prominent as a West or 642 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:22,690 slash Phoenix life situation and I also 643 00:28:26,970 --> 00:28:24,730 look for cases where the object is a 644 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:26,980 little bit different you know not just a 645 00:28:32,370 --> 00:28:30,850 classic Sylvan still very disc type of a 646 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:32,380 type of a thing and I look for like 647 00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:34,690 cases to where the light behaves rather 648 00:28:40,350 --> 00:28:38,289 on you beautifully so why is really 649 00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,360 Creek up when I go through old files and 650 00:28:43,649 --> 00:28:41,919 dig through old records I find these 651 00:28:45,149 --> 00:28:43,659 little cases that are and they happen to 652 00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:45,159 everyday Australians you know they're 653 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:46,480 they're happening to you know to 654 00:28:51,299 --> 00:28:49,510 policemen to farmers to you know that 655 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:51,309 type of thing everyday Australians and 656 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:52,809 and that's really the you know the life 657 00:28:57,870 --> 00:28:55,330 butter the blood of the community and 658 00:29:00,120 --> 00:28:57,880 and these are the people having these 659 00:29:01,470 --> 00:29:00,130 encounters so I like to spend you know a 660 00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,480 fair amount of time digging through and 661 00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,799 I'm hoping to put together a bit of a 662 00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:04,960 book of the cases that are there that 663 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:07,240 are really strong that have credible 664 00:29:11,730 --> 00:29:09,970 witnesses but people in our own country 665 00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:11,740 won't know about these cases let alone 666 00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:14,049 anybody in the United States right all 667 00:29:19,950 --> 00:29:17,190 the rest of the world yes yes um yeah so 668 00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:19,960 try go ahead I'll just a brief pocket 669 00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:21,070 for you that you asked me if you like 670 00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,350 yeah okay for those of you who aren't 671 00:29:27,299 --> 00:29:25,120 familiar with me obviously on Ben Hill 672 00:29:29,159 --> 00:29:27,309 got involved in you oppose from a very 673 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:29,169 early age I think I was looking at the 674 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:30,610 sky from the minute I could point my 675 00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,370 head up and the first books I ever wrote 676 00:29:38,009 --> 00:29:35,440 it in school book clubs were ufo-related 677 00:29:40,830 --> 00:29:38,019 books and I've had a strong and healthy 678 00:29:44,009 --> 00:29:40,840 interest in in the unknown my entire 679 00:29:46,169 --> 00:29:44,019 life particularly UFOs had a couple of 680 00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:46,179 my own sightings that I that occurred to 681 00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:47,980 me as well which were kind of you know 682 00:29:52,379 --> 00:29:50,230 personal confirmation that yes this is a 683 00:29:53,639 --> 00:29:52,389 genuine and real phenomenon that we are 684 00:29:58,139 --> 00:29:53,649 dealing with through nothing like 685 00:29:59,940 --> 00:29:58,149 personal personal experience and when I 686 00:30:01,289 --> 00:29:59,950 got into my early 40s I thought to 687 00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,299 myself well I really want to get 688 00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:03,039 involved in investigation I want to find 689 00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:04,630 out what is going on I want to be active 690 00:30:07,529 --> 00:30:06,669 I want to I don't to be an armchair and 691 00:30:10,859 --> 00:30:07,539 I'm sure 692 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:10,869 you know you know a keen person I want 693 00:30:13,859 --> 00:30:11,950 to get out there and I want to actually 694 00:30:16,469 --> 00:30:13,869 be involved in this in this phenomenon 695 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,479 so I don't live in mell help I live it's 696 00:30:21,989 --> 00:30:19,840 from Pierre I was east of Melbourne so 697 00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:21,999 one day I drove down to Melbourne and I 698 00:30:26,009 --> 00:30:24,190 attended a meeting the first UFO meeting 699 00:30:27,989 --> 00:30:26,019 I went to which was George Simpson of a 700 00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:27,999 youth one who was running meetings so I 701 00:30:32,009 --> 00:30:29,379 went down there and attended the meeting 702 00:30:33,629 --> 00:30:32,019 and started to get involved and then at 703 00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:33,639 that very meeting I met another man 704 00:30:38,009 --> 00:30:35,820 called Andrew Arnold who had founded 705 00:30:39,810 --> 00:30:38,019 Victorian UFO action which is the group 706 00:30:40,889 --> 00:30:39,820 that I'm now the director of and to say 707 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:40,899 the rest is history 708 00:30:45,239 --> 00:30:43,330 effectively so you know from that point 709 00:30:47,099 --> 00:30:45,249 Andrew and I got together and we started 710 00:30:49,019 --> 00:30:47,109 thinking to ourselves we really need to 711 00:30:50,999 --> 00:30:49,029 get you up a research going in Victoria 712 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:51,009 again because we did have the Victorian 713 00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:53,529 Flying Saucer Research Society view 714 00:30:59,369 --> 00:30:56,369 force which was here but since the 715 00:31:00,989 --> 00:30:59,379 petered out in the mid-2000s so there's 716 00:31:02,249 --> 00:31:00,999 this gap of about five years where 717 00:31:04,259 --> 00:31:02,259 nothing was happening at all basically 718 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:04,269 so we decided we want to form a group 719 00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:07,210 again and we want to now group to be not 720 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:09,129 a MUFON as such you know like you know 721 00:31:13,859 --> 00:31:11,080 move founds a large organisation with a 722 00:31:15,779 --> 00:31:13,869 with a lot of you know a lot of things 723 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:15,789 that go along with a large organisation 724 00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:18,220 and step out organizations are lot 725 00:31:22,469 --> 00:31:20,169 smaller and our team currently is around 726 00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:22,479 about 15 people that's it so it's a nice 727 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:24,190 it's a nice sized group of people who 728 00:31:27,539 --> 00:31:25,809 are who are dedicated and we've spent 729 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:27,549 our last you know the last five years or 730 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:31,450 so you know providing a reporting centre 731 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:33,369 for people so people if they have an 732 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:34,809 encounter they can report it to us 733 00:31:39,349 --> 00:31:37,809 that's the first thing which is falling 734 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:39,359 by the wayside no one was doing that 735 00:31:43,979 --> 00:31:41,769 we've done out our documentaries which 736 00:31:47,249 --> 00:31:43,989 are on our UFO a YouTube channel so if 737 00:31:50,009 --> 00:31:47,259 you want to YouTube be UFO ATV but my 738 00:31:51,779 --> 00:31:50,019 Australian accent if you follow TV you 739 00:31:53,969 --> 00:31:51,789 can see all our documentaries that we 740 00:31:57,239 --> 00:31:53,979 have made those documentaries have been 741 00:32:01,320 --> 00:31:57,249 about Victorian cases talking to 742 00:32:03,149 --> 00:32:01,330 Victorian witnesses researchers the 743 00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,159 stuff that you can't see that the non 744 00:32:07,049 --> 00:32:05,200 History Channel National Geographic sort 745 00:32:08,669 --> 00:32:07,059 of stuff it's it's very much more of a 746 00:32:11,219 --> 00:32:08,679 grassroots approach to it we've got a 747 00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:11,229 little HD camera we go out all over the 748 00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,190 countryside 749 00:32:16,499 --> 00:32:14,320 talking to people and getting into the 750 00:32:18,899 --> 00:32:16,509 heartland of Victoria's UFO experience 751 00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:18,909 so that's that's what we've been doing 752 00:32:23,790 --> 00:32:21,280 essentially and on top of that you 753 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:23,800 I've done some done some radio work as 754 00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:25,450 well I've been on your show other shows 755 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:28,660 I've had my own radio show and have also 756 00:32:32,430 --> 00:32:30,130 done a bit of work for National 757 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:32,440 Geographic recently on a series that 758 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:35,650 they had called invasion earth and I did 759 00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,450 the segment on the Burke's flat bending 760 00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,240 headlights case so yes I've been 761 00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:42,880 involved actively for a good solid five 762 00:32:46,650 --> 00:32:44,470 years but have always had a lifelong 763 00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:46,660 interest so for those of you who don't 764 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:48,580 know me that's that gives you a bit of a 765 00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:51,850 brief rundown on very much so could you 766 00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:55,120 turn can you turn your speaker's down 767 00:32:59,640 --> 00:32:56,920 just a little bit here a little bit 768 00:33:01,800 --> 00:32:59,650 feedback come back out of that so just 769 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:01,810 turn your so you can still hear me but 770 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:04,930 just not not so loud okay let's talk 771 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:07,690 about the wood you caught the bending 772 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:11,530 head like case um that's the car I don't 773 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:15,070 know that's crazy yeah I I got to hear 774 00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:19,090 that one again just give me I'll just 775 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:20,620 say I've got so much good stuff with man 776 00:33:24,810 --> 00:33:23,170 it's it's it's great no I'll give you a 777 00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:24,820 book to a bit of a recap on on the 778 00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:27,070 bending headlights case so that occurred 779 00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:29,800 in in April 1966 and that was a very 780 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,200 very important flap that occurred here 781 00:33:35,730 --> 00:33:33,760 in Victoria at that time in fact 782 00:33:38,370 --> 00:33:35,740 probably almost the best one with that 783 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:38,380 we've had it started on the second of 784 00:33:42,780 --> 00:33:40,690 April then the fourth of April and then 785 00:33:44,580 --> 00:33:42,790 the sixth of April so over that period 786 00:33:47,370 --> 00:33:44,590 of time there was there was three 787 00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:47,380 significant UFO events that occurred the 788 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:49,000 first one on the second of April was the 789 00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:51,610 Baldwin photo where a man took a 790 00:33:57,290 --> 00:33:53,380 photograph at close range of a silver 791 00:34:00,900 --> 00:33:59,640 that ended up on the front page of the 792 00:34:02,790 --> 00:34:00,910 of the Herald Sun which was the 793 00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:02,800 newspaper in Melbourne that started it 794 00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:04,750 off two days later on the 4th of April 795 00:34:11,399 --> 00:34:07,679 1966 a man was driving in the country 796 00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:11,409 for work at night and in an area called 797 00:34:16,919 --> 00:34:13,600 called Burke's flat which is just a flat 798 00:34:19,350 --> 00:34:16,929 plain areas there's nothing out there he 799 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:19,360 noticed a strange light in the paddock 800 00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:21,610 off to his right and as he approached it 801 00:34:27,149 --> 00:34:24,580 he thought it was a tractor engaged in 802 00:34:29,370 --> 00:34:27,159 night plowing as he got closer to it he 803 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:29,380 started to feel a tugging on his chest 804 00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:32,169 and his headlights started to started to 805 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:35,020 waver and as he he slowed right down 806 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:37,450 it's about close to get close to the 807 00:34:41,399 --> 00:34:39,610 object his headlights bent off the road 808 00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:41,409 and they were attracted to this object 809 00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:43,240 and what was the object it was he 810 00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:45,880 described it as an inverted an ice-cream 811 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:49,120 cone type of a appearance it had a white 812 00:34:52,620 --> 00:34:51,070 disc on top and a smaller white disc at 813 00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:52,630 the bottom and there was all these tubes 814 00:34:57,540 --> 00:34:55,630 of light passing colored light passing 815 00:34:58,980 --> 00:34:57,550 between the bottom of the of the 816 00:35:01,950 --> 00:34:58,990 ice-cream cone to the top of the ice 817 00:35:04,290 --> 00:35:01,960 cream cone and then as he as he as he 818 00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:04,300 approached it he realized he was about 819 00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,560 to drive off the road because he was 820 00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:06,880 following his headlights he put in a 821 00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:09,190 counter steer and he narrowly avoided 822 00:35:12,810 --> 00:35:10,630 hitting a tree on the other side of the 823 00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:12,820 road as he did that the entire object 824 00:35:18,270 --> 00:35:16,240 closed up and then it disappeared and he 825 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:18,280 was very shaken driver drove off to his 826 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:20,050 destination and that was it just I've 827 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:21,910 just a horrible experience for a man out 828 00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:23,290 there on the you know in the lonely 829 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:26,320 country road on the sixth of April 1966 830 00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:28,690 two days later again that was when the 831 00:35:33,810 --> 00:35:31,240 West all-school encounter occurred so 832 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:33,820 between those within a week you've got 833 00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:36,310 those three key events then a couple of 834 00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:38,590 days later a young man was killed at 835 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:40,780 Burke's flat at exactly the same spot 836 00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:43,030 when his car veered off the road and hit 837 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:43,630 a tree 838 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:45,850 right where Ron Sullivan had his UFO 839 00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:48,310 encounter that bought Ron out because 840 00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:50,350 Ron thought oh gee Burke's flat young 841 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:51,940 guy died there hmm 842 00:35:57,810 --> 00:35:54,490 oh I better say something so he did and 843 00:35:59,580 --> 00:35:57,820 in 1960 1680 he was perhaps you know 844 00:36:02,130 --> 00:35:59,590 maybe opening himself to ridicule at 845 00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:02,140 that time and he came forward and said 846 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:03,640 provide a really weird encounter out 847 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:04,810 there at Bert's well you know a couple 848 00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:06,370 of days ago and now this young man's 849 00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:10,320 been killed that created a whole a whole 850 00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:13,270 possibility that this young man had also 851 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:15,400 had had a similar experience out there 852 00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:18,310 so that was the KSR that I got involved 853 00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:20,230 in a couple of years ago and we took Ron 854 00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:22,030 Sullivan the witness back to Burke's 855 00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:23,500 flat for the first time he hadn't been 856 00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:26,140 there since since the incident and we 857 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:28,300 filmed around that case and we found a 858 00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,890 lot of other people we did archive 859 00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:32,560 research we found the autopsy report for 860 00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:35,110 the young man who was killed so we went 861 00:36:39,870 --> 00:36:37,900 to a lot of it effort to do that and 862 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:39,880 that's that period of time I'm talking 863 00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:41,290 about these these UFO events you know 864 00:36:45,830 --> 00:36:43,270 they tend to occur around these but I 865 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:45,840 almost seem to be 10 to 20 year type of 866 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:47,890 cycles to get anything really really 867 00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,730 good something 868 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:50,560 you can really sink your teeth into so 869 00:36:55,950 --> 00:36:53,890 that to me that that case and why did I 870 00:36:58,290 --> 00:36:55,960 like to go X flat so much well the 871 00:37:00,420 --> 00:36:58,300 object was a really unusual object and 872 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:00,430 Ron described the object as not 873 00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:03,010 admitting any any shadows at all so the 874 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:05,350 light was fully contained so when he 875 00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:06,970 looked at it it wasn't there wasn't 876 00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:09,190 casting looming shadows across the trees 877 00:37:13,770 --> 00:37:10,990 it just the whole light the whole light 878 00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:13,780 complex was contained and he went back 879 00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:17,200 there the next day next day day after 880 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:19,480 and when they went there they found a 881 00:37:22,830 --> 00:37:21,130 depression in the in the paddock where 882 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:22,840 it looked like a vacuum cleaner had been 883 00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:25,810 put on reverse and blasted this area of 884 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:28,120 dirt in the yeah ad in the field I 885 00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:29,650 should say paddocks a very Australian 886 00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:33,880 term for a field so and then they 887 00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:35,740 noticed some dead parrots were lying 888 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:40,060 around in the area as well so it was a 889 00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:42,130 very strange very strange experience and 890 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:45,550 that tail the Westall tail the ball wind 891 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:47,830 photo all of that had been forgotten all 892 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:49,360 of that it just you know made the news 893 00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:50,770 of the day and people scratch their 894 00:37:56,430 --> 00:37:52,630 scratch their beards for a while and 895 00:37:57,930 --> 00:37:56,440 then I all moved on with life so and you 896 00:37:59,370 --> 00:37:57,940 know those cases laid lay quite still 897 00:38:01,260 --> 00:37:59,380 for a while build Chalker a great 898 00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:01,270 Australian researcher did a visit to 899 00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:03,640 Burke's flat in 1980 and did a bit of 900 00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:05,320 work on the case at that point in time 901 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:07,870 West all had disappeared into into urban 902 00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:09,610 legend basically at that you know for a 903 00:38:14,610 --> 00:38:12,670 long time and then over the time these 904 00:38:17,970 --> 00:38:14,620 cases started to started to gain 905 00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:17,980 traction again and so there's large 906 00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:19,870 cases started to get researchers 907 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:21,670 interested in them we started doing the 908 00:38:25,110 --> 00:38:23,530 work that perhaps should have been done 909 00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,120 at the time or couldn't have been done 910 00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,800 at the time or you know we start looking 911 00:38:31,590 --> 00:38:29,440 at it with 21st century eyes and I think 912 00:38:33,090 --> 00:38:31,600 that's helped these cases bring them 913 00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:33,100 back to life the people so that people 914 00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:36,280 can now look at these cases and go wow 915 00:38:38,910 --> 00:38:37,840 you know something actually really did 916 00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,920 happen back then you know these were 917 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:40,240 these were credible credible people 918 00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:41,830 their students were credible that 919 00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:44,320 teachers saw that UF Westall Ron 920 00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:45,910 Sullivan was a businessman he had no 921 00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:47,800 reason to to make any of that up and 922 00:38:53,250 --> 00:38:50,230 there was supporting evidence there so 923 00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:53,260 yeah very very very good stuff and it's 924 00:38:59,010 --> 00:38:56,680 all part of part of assets our stakes in 925 00:39:00,930 --> 00:38:59,020 a rich tapestry of UFO reports and 926 00:39:02,329 --> 00:39:00,940 people ask me all the time well you know 927 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:02,339 you're a UFO be sir 928 00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:05,249 where do UFOs appear and I say UFOs 929 00:39:10,009 --> 00:39:08,339 appear everywhere and I go now that 930 00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:10,019 don't think I'm nutty when I say that to 931 00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:11,700 you because if you actually go back and 932 00:39:17,529 --> 00:39:14,220 study the record every region of our 933 00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:17,539 state every area has a UFO history 934 00:39:22,999 --> 00:39:19,680 doesn't mean it's happening all at once 935 00:39:24,859 --> 00:39:23,009 in every location but but at some point 936 00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:24,869 in time whether it's been Melbourne 937 00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:26,460 whether it's been the north east south 938 00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:28,470 west east gippsland where I live the 939 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:30,900 north the north east the mountain range 940 00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:33,210 is the high country as we call it all 941 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:35,700 those areas have got really good UFO 942 00:39:40,729 --> 00:39:38,910 stories and they disappear they get lost 943 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:40,739 people don't report them they tell a few 944 00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,089 friends they have a bit of a giggle and 945 00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:44,160 they forget about it the groups like my 946 00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:46,680 own Victoria for action we get out there 947 00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:50,190 and we dig for this stuff and a little 948 00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:51,390 bit later I'll say about another great 949 00:39:59,539 --> 00:39:57,089 case but that process but yeah it's you 950 00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:59,549 know that those cases a have really come 951 00:40:02,509 --> 00:40:01,079 back to life and there's lots of there's 952 00:40:04,279 --> 00:40:02,519 lots of things that people can do 953 00:40:06,799 --> 00:40:04,289 there's a great documentary called wet 954 00:40:09,259 --> 00:40:06,809 stall 60 secrets of suburban ministry 955 00:40:10,999 --> 00:40:09,269 made by Shane Ryan and Rosie Jones you 956 00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:11,009 have to I just take everyone's homework 957 00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:13,710 for the day YouTube that video and watch 958 00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:17,880 it it's one of the best UFO 959 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:19,380 documentaries that I've ever seen I 960 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:20,729 think they've done a tremendous job of 961 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:23,729 it so it's west of 66 a suburban mystery 962 00:40:26,749 --> 00:40:25,170 if you YouTube that you will definitely 963 00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:26,759 find it and I encourage everybody to 964 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:28,680 watch that if you've not seen it okay 965 00:40:34,339 --> 00:40:32,130 hey Ben can you turn your camera off for 966 00:40:36,469 --> 00:40:34,349 a minute I'm going to see if that's a 967 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:36,479 you're having a bit of a Skype lag and 968 00:40:40,579 --> 00:40:38,249 I'm going to see if that might cure that 969 00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,589 so go ahead and shut your camera if you 970 00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,960 would now on this particular case you 971 00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:44,960 were speaking of the bending lights or 972 00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:48,420 is what you called it it's very 973 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:50,609 interesting when you said that a UFO 974 00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:52,410 disappeared I want to talk a little bit 975 00:40:55,789 --> 00:40:53,339 about that because there's another 976 00:40:58,609 --> 00:40:55,799 question I have what do you make of that 977 00:41:02,349 --> 00:40:58,619 I've heard of people saying that a UFO 978 00:41:07,459 --> 00:41:02,359 all of a sudden just plain disappears 979 00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:07,469 well that's really interesting and a lot 980 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:09,390 of stuff that all you know a lot of 981 00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:11,609 cases that I look at oh yeah you say 982 00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:13,380 well did the UFO disappear or did it 983 00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:16,200 take off you know yeah did it just 984 00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:17,820 disappear as in like it just just 985 00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,099 dissolved did it disappear as you like 986 00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:22,320 it instantly just you know evaporated or 987 00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:24,270 did it like shoot off from point A to 988 00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:26,280 point B and then you never saw it again 989 00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:28,740 so it's a very interesting interesting 990 00:41:33,319 --> 00:41:31,140 thing and I think all those things do 991 00:41:36,859 --> 00:41:33,329 happen I think I think different UFOs 992 00:41:39,319 --> 00:41:36,869 behave in different ways ron has said 993 00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:39,329 that his UFO shot straight up into the 994 00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:41,940 sky that it disappeared in an instant 995 00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:43,859 that it was gone it was just it was 996 00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:46,680 there and then bang off it went so in 997 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:49,230 other reports I've looked at a really 998 00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:52,770 great little one here where you know the 999 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:54,750 UFO has gone and there's still being 1000 00:42:00,980 --> 00:41:57,810 traces of the UFO in the area after its 1001 00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,990 departure really weird stuff so where 1002 00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:02,760 are they coming from that'sthat's all 1003 00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:04,740 linked to that I think to the way they 1004 00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:06,990 behave you know they're you know if it's 1005 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:08,430 a dimensional thing and they can 1006 00:42:13,339 --> 00:42:11,250 manipulate our space in our time then 1007 00:42:15,859 --> 00:42:13,349 there's all manner of things that they 1008 00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:15,869 can do that if there are a little bit 1009 00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:18,030 more advanced incident us and it's kind 1010 00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:19,980 of point A to point B sort of sort of 1011 00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:22,560 know processes going on there then 1012 00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:24,180 they've got a hardware that just 1013 00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:25,500 operates slightly better than our 1014 00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,720 fastest Jets can can operate and they're 1015 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:29,520 not that far ahead of us but if they're 1016 00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:31,170 coming from two other dimensions if 1017 00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:34,710 they've got some sort of a I hate using 1018 00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:37,859 the word technology because it may not 1019 00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:39,900 even be a technology but in the way that 1020 00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:42,180 we think about it they might have the 1021 00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,220 ability to do as I said manipulate that 1022 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:46,079 time and space and do all sorts of 1023 00:42:49,819 --> 00:42:47,730 things make it stand still come and go 1024 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:49,829 as they like so but there's a whole our 1025 00:42:54,099 --> 00:42:51,810 discussion in that bolon I think mum 1026 00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:54,109 yeah yeah it's very interesting so are 1027 00:43:00,609 --> 00:42:58,530 the back to the car itself the first car 1028 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:00,619 the one that did not get in an accident 1029 00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:03,890 was there any like permanent 1030 00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:06,180 disfiguration of his head lamps or 1031 00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:08,310 anything like that or anything that was 1032 00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:10,859 unusual about his car after that 1033 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:16,500 incident know that mundane thing ly no 1034 00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:20,010 no the car was the car was as per as the 1035 00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:22,680 normal didn't have any any traces of you 1036 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:24,990 know some sort of mysterious and you 1037 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:26,970 know residues or you know that it's 1038 00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:28,530 heads let us lights but physically bent 1039 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:29,280 and they broke 1040 00:43:33,020 --> 00:43:31,050 and there was nothing like that we tried 1041 00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:33,030 to find the car we we knew it was a long 1042 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:35,220 shot but we you know we we went looking 1043 00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,930 for the car to see if we could find it 1044 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:38,640 anywhere you know maybe some collector 1045 00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:41,010 had it or whatever but we the 1046 00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:42,780 registration was a was a no longer a 1047 00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:45,180 current registration so unfortunately we 1048 00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:47,100 couldn't find it 1049 00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:49,710 so that was a bit disappointing they did 1050 00:43:57,110 --> 00:43:52,340 get the headlight off the crashed car 1051 00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:57,120 that was found at the time by a poor 1052 00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,650 Norman who was the head of view force at 1053 00:44:01,250 --> 00:44:00,000 the time with a lead investigator he 1054 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:01,260 found that his like one of the 1055 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:03,570 headlights off the crash car but there 1056 00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:05,010 was nothing to be revealed from that and 1057 00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:06,720 I don't know whether now we would find 1058 00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:08,280 something that maybe would have been on 1059 00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:10,950 those little lights but back in the back 1060 00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:12,900 in the 70s you know when he probably 1061 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:14,940 tracked down that that headlight it 1062 00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:18,450 probably wasn't the the technology to 1063 00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,310 look at it and and nobody knows where 1064 00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:23,760 that headlight is now right right now 1065 00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:26,340 going back you mentioned something when 1066 00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:28,020 you were talking about the organization 1067 00:44:35,860 --> 00:44:32,460 that you're head of there was a previous 1068 00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:35,870 organization what was that called again 1069 00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:39,030 are those called Beautiful's a Victorian 1070 00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:40,440 Flying Saucer Research Society a 1071 00:44:46,910 --> 00:44:44,280 question I have a number of UFO 1072 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:46,920 organizations have faded away in the 1073 00:44:51,830 --> 00:44:49,530 past and I just wondered what your 1074 00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:51,840 thoughts on why that happens or in 1075 00:44:57,860 --> 00:44:54,270 particular case of the one you may know 1076 00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:57,870 of what makes a membership doesn't have 1077 00:45:03,200 --> 00:44:59,940 anything to do with less sightings or 1078 00:45:07,060 --> 00:45:03,210 does a membership just get tired and no 1079 00:45:10,310 --> 00:45:07,070 new blood or how can one fail like that 1080 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:10,320 well you just to bet hit the nail on the 1081 00:45:14,740 --> 00:45:12,810 head with that last statement it was an 1082 00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:14,750 organization that it was it was very 1083 00:45:21,020 --> 00:45:19,470 very structured in a in a kind of an 1084 00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:21,030 old-school kind of away with you know 1085 00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:23,310 committees and minutes and meetings and 1086 00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:24,900 you know all that type of you know 1087 00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:26,910 structure around that thing like an old 1088 00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:29,220 school club would be you know perhaps a 1089 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:30,420 Rotary Club or something I'm not sure 1090 00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:33,210 but it was very much an old school type 1091 00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:35,790 of type of structure the people who were 1092 00:45:43,050 --> 00:45:39,630 in it with in it for a very very long 1093 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:43,060 time decades and what they probably 1094 00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:45,250 fail to consider with some type of a 1095 00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:48,310 succession plan so that when the the old 1096 00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,030 stay is time was up they didn't have the 1097 00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:53,920 young blood coming through they didn't 1098 00:46:00,330 --> 00:45:58,960 have the the people in place to to pick 1099 00:46:02,010 --> 00:46:00,340 up the torch and keep the good work 1100 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:02,020 going and what happened was that 1101 00:46:06,450 --> 00:46:04,570 basically all their information just 1102 00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:06,460 scattered to the wind at that point so 1103 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:08,830 it all became lost certain people had 1104 00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:10,690 this and certain people had that and 1105 00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:12,760 other other bits of information just 1106 00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:17,470 went out right missing so oh it was a 1107 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:19,840 real tragedy in the fact that the 1108 00:46:24,210 --> 00:46:21,490 organization was around for 40 to 50 1109 00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:24,220 years such a long period of time and in 1110 00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:26,620 the end it just it just imploded it just 1111 00:46:29,850 --> 00:46:28,060 collapsed they didn't have the the 1112 00:46:31,650 --> 00:46:29,860 people to the websites still up you can 1113 00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,660 still go look at the website but there's 1114 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:33,280 no information on there hasn't had any 1115 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:34,450 updates in years 1116 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:38,530 so okay so let's let's talk about it 1117 00:46:45,690 --> 00:46:42,250 just it just right - yeah uh we have a 1118 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:45,700 little bit of a lag here still and I 1119 00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:48,010 might have to ask you for your phone 1120 00:46:56,430 --> 00:46:52,800 number and I know your country code so 1121 00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:56,440 if you would go ahead and text in the 1122 00:47:02,310 --> 00:46:59,440 Skype right now just check your phone 1123 00:47:07,590 --> 00:47:02,320 number if I lose you and and I'll ring 1124 00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:07,600 you back so a vote FOA Oh however you 1125 00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:12,880 say that a Victorian UFO action I just 1126 00:47:17,850 --> 00:47:15,430 wondered what you'd actually do with the 1127 00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:17,860 reports that you get are they digitally 1128 00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:22,780 kept yes that's right so we have a 1129 00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:25,180 people we had we have two ways for 1130 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:31,300 people to the people to report cases to 1131 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:33,310 us they can do it via email and 1132 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:37,810 interestingly man we created the hot 1133 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:40,330 line now the hot lines are very very 1134 00:47:46,020 --> 00:47:44,530 problematic they're they're then rarely 1135 00:47:47,610 --> 00:47:46,030 used for what they're intended for the 1136 00:47:50,370 --> 00:47:47,620 the idea of a hot line is that someone 1137 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:50,380 is having a real time UFO experience can 1138 00:47:53,730 --> 00:47:52,330 give you a call and report what's going 1139 00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:53,740 on it never ends up getting used like 1140 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:55,750 that so we're on the cusp of actually 1141 00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:57,010 ditching the 1142 00:48:00,720 --> 00:47:58,690 lawn service so the majority of our 1143 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:00,730 report was we're now directing people 1144 00:48:06,570 --> 00:48:05,410 through email and how would the the 1145 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:06,580 thing I always think about is when I 1146 00:48:14,070 --> 00:48:10,330 personally had a sighting and that I had 1147 00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:14,080 just not thought of any way of reporting 1148 00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:15,940 it it just didn't occur to me that there 1149 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:19,600 was something online how would someone 1150 00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:21,250 have found your hotline 1151 00:48:25,460 --> 00:48:24,040 would it have also been only through the 1152 00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:25,470 Internet 1153 00:48:31,410 --> 00:48:28,750 yeah that's correct I mean without with 1154 00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:31,420 your Google you know report UFO Victoria 1155 00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:34,390 we come up you know so you know we come 1156 00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:38,380 up with five billion you report UFO in 1157 00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:40,420 your in our state where the first where 1158 00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:42,460 the first website that appear so it does 1159 00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:46,000 mean people will get the number and yeah 1160 00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:48,040 it's not that often that we've I mean I 1161 00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:49,660 had the phone for quite a while myself 1162 00:48:54,830 --> 00:48:52,000 and and you know you get the occasional 1163 00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:54,840 call but it's usually someone not 1164 00:49:01,080 --> 00:48:59,050 reporting a UFO so we found that having 1165 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:01,090 that we still got it's still there in 1166 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:02,410 hope that we know that will actually 1167 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:04,090 ring with something of interest one day 1168 00:49:07,740 --> 00:49:06,370 but for the most part I think most 1169 00:49:10,340 --> 00:49:07,750 people are in this day and age and 1170 00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:10,350 probably more comfortable to email you 1171 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:14,110 rather than to rather than to you know 1172 00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:18,130 phone you you know yesterday the idea 1173 00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:19,420 wasn't you know you have been looking at 1174 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:20,710 your phone right now my god you know 1175 00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:22,690 lots of stuff but as an it hasn't worked 1176 00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:24,910 out highway I think I'm going to try to 1177 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:28,600 ring you on your phone so yeah can you 1178 00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,570 do you have your phone with you okay I 1179 00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,280 do so yeah we're getting a lot of lags 1180 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:35,440 so let me try to ring you and go it go 1181 00:49:43,310 --> 00:49:36,850 ahead if you wouldn't hang up on skype 1182 00:49:46,860 --> 00:49:44,610 okay 1183 00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:46,870 hang in for the live listener we're 1184 00:49:53,970 --> 00:49:50,950 going to try to make this work and I 1185 00:49:58,650 --> 00:49:53,980 might end up skyping him back if this 1186 00:50:02,670 --> 00:49:58,660 doesn't work just to let can you hear me 1187 00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:02,680 there you are thank you so just up it 1188 00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:05,950 could actually be on my end just it to 1189 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:07,270 be fair to you it could be on my end 1190 00:50:12,130 --> 00:50:09,970 because of this horrific thunderstorms 1191 00:50:16,450 --> 00:50:12,140 here 1192 00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:16,460 first of the year anyway but uh I let's 1193 00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:18,470 give it a try see how this goes oh well 1194 00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:20,560 yeah like the nothing but McDon 1195 00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,630 okay can you say that again I think it's 1196 00:50:32,890 --> 00:50:27,920 nothing like a storm to throw a bit of 1197 00:50:35,020 --> 00:50:32,900 guys yes right right okay so one of the 1198 00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:35,030 cases I had wanted to bring up to you 1199 00:50:41,710 --> 00:50:38,480 and I believe I tried last time we spoke 1200 00:50:43,060 --> 00:50:41,720 was there is some case in California 1201 00:50:45,850 --> 00:50:43,070 where people were driving along a 1202 00:50:52,810 --> 00:50:45,860 highway and they saw this craft land are 1203 00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:52,820 you familiar with that case I know what 1204 00:50:58,240 --> 00:50:56,540 we'll do you know it you're that I think 1205 00:50:59,650 --> 00:50:58,250 you're the second Australian that wasn't 1206 00:51:06,520 --> 00:50:59,660 familiar with it so maybe I have the 1207 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:06,530 wrong the wrong country very well could 1208 00:51:15,010 --> 00:51:11,930 that Barama so let's talk about some of 1209 00:51:16,810 --> 00:51:15,020 the the other I want to talk about some 1210 00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,820 of the cases that you've been working on 1211 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:19,520 that you mentioned earlier that were 1212 00:51:23,830 --> 00:51:21,410 less known because those really 1213 00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:23,840 fascinate me as well can you talk about 1214 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:29,270 one that comes to mind ultimately can 1215 00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:30,770 how much probably a list oh we got we 1216 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:36,920 got a whole hour oh good good good 1217 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:38,090 that's that's great that means I can 1218 00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:39,530 really really get stuck into it okay 1219 00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:43,430 great okay well look I've got so much 1220 00:51:47,050 --> 00:51:45,020 really cool stuff and I hope everyone 1221 00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:47,060 yeah go charges their drinks and settled 1222 00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,590 in for a bit of a good good good 1223 00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:51,680 listening session here the case because 1224 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:53,990 um I talked about is from Maya region 1225 00:51:59,550 --> 00:51:56,210 which is in eastern Victoria if you look 1226 00:52:02,080 --> 00:51:59,560 at the map at the pointy end in the east 1227 00:52:03,790 --> 00:52:02,090 basically this incident is what I love 1228 00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:03,800 about this incident is the fact that a 1229 00:52:07,690 --> 00:52:05,600 it occurred to farmers first of all a 1230 00:52:09,070 --> 00:52:07,700 lot of farmers there's they they are 1231 00:52:11,860 --> 00:52:09,080 pretty much sold the earth and they 1232 00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:11,870 don't have time for the nonsense and fun 1233 00:52:19,060 --> 00:52:15,590 and games so that I like the object it's 1234 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:19,070 that they captured really unusual object 1235 00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:20,690 that's that's the second thing that I 1236 00:52:24,339 --> 00:52:22,940 really like about it so I'll give you a 1237 00:52:26,349 --> 00:52:24,349 bit of a rundown as to what have 1238 00:52:28,359 --> 00:52:26,359 a bit of the investigation process that 1239 00:52:30,999 --> 00:52:28,369 I went through so this incident occurred 1240 00:52:36,819 --> 00:52:31,009 at 11 o'clock at night on the 28th of 1241 00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:36,829 January 1976 it's a while ago ah the 1242 00:52:42,460 --> 00:52:39,470 case itself is an absolute Ripper and I 1243 00:52:44,859 --> 00:52:42,470 love it a lot of bits so who was it who 1244 00:52:49,749 --> 00:52:44,869 was involved those two farmers and the 1245 00:52:51,999 --> 00:52:49,759 Kasich / ball town a really small town 1246 00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,009 called Dargo but that's quite Australian 1247 00:52:57,759 --> 00:52:54,559 and Dargo is up in the high country 1248 00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,769 which is the mountain area in the 1249 00:53:01,509 --> 00:52:59,599 eastern part of our state it's about an 1250 00:53:03,130 --> 00:53:01,519 hour from where I live so it's very 1251 00:53:04,569 --> 00:53:03,140 remote you basically drive in there and 1252 00:53:08,190 --> 00:53:04,579 you drive out again that's really what 1253 00:53:10,809 --> 00:53:08,200 it's like and it's surrounded by pop I 1254 00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:10,819 high mountains that are very very 1255 00:53:17,859 --> 00:53:14,079 forested and it's a very remote location 1256 00:53:19,809 --> 00:53:17,869 so these two farmers there are actually 1257 00:53:22,329 --> 00:53:19,819 what we would call a share farmer so 1258 00:53:24,430 --> 00:53:22,339 they they were looking after a gherkin 1259 00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:24,440 crop which is like people's you know so 1260 00:53:30,099 --> 00:53:28,430 that pit good all day long and then they 1261 00:53:32,259 --> 00:53:30,109 go home at about five o'clock in the 1262 00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:32,269 afternoon and it's little water pump 1263 00:53:37,690 --> 00:53:34,430 running to water the crop if you're 1264 00:53:39,729 --> 00:53:37,700 following what I'm saying so they go 1265 00:53:42,819 --> 00:53:39,739 home but these of water on the water 1266 00:53:44,469 --> 00:53:42,829 would water the crop then it had at 11 1267 00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,479 o'clock at night they drive back and it 1268 00:53:50,859 --> 00:53:47,119 was about a 5 or 6 K drive kilometres 1269 00:53:53,799 --> 00:53:50,869 I'm saying back across to to the to the 1270 00:53:57,940 --> 00:53:53,809 field and I would turn that pump off and 1271 00:53:59,859 --> 00:53:57,950 then a drive home again me bet so just 1272 00:54:02,140 --> 00:53:59,869 you know mundane you know rural 1273 00:54:05,140 --> 00:54:02,150 activities so on this particular night 1274 00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:05,150 that the 28th of January 1976 11 o'clock 1275 00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:07,369 by hopping their car and they head off 1276 00:54:12,099 --> 00:54:09,950 as they leaving town the dago's really 1277 00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:12,109 small place they notice what they saw 1278 00:54:16,979 --> 00:54:14,089 this light buzzing around and they 1279 00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:16,989 thought both of those chooses the 1280 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:19,609 spotlight is gone I so I'll have a 1281 00:54:23,709 --> 00:54:22,130 spotlight and I will light the spotlight 1282 00:54:26,410 --> 00:54:23,719 of the kangaroo and the male black bit 1283 00:54:27,729 --> 00:54:26,420 so that's what they thought they were 1284 00:54:30,969 --> 00:54:27,739 looking at this little light without 1285 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:30,979 flying around and all of a sudden the 1286 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:35,450 light took an interest in their car so 1287 00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:38,090 they drive on the road and the 1288 00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:39,710 the two witnesses were one was a female 1289 00:54:44,260 --> 00:54:42,110 one was a male she was in it 40s at the 1290 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:44,270 time about 42 and it was her cousin the 1291 00:54:48,190 --> 00:54:45,650 male who was driving the car 1292 00:54:50,770 --> 00:54:48,200 he was 19 so they're driving in the dark 1293 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:50,780 heading up this road and this little 1294 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:52,490 light this flyer and the paddock 1295 00:55:00,580 --> 00:54:56,570 suddenly takes an interest in them it 1296 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:00,590 starts to pace the car stage they're 1297 00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:02,090 just a bit puzzled about this light 1298 00:55:05,140 --> 00:55:03,680 what's this thing out here it's 1299 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:05,150 following it so they're driving along 1300 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:07,130 they go through a deep cutting in the 1301 00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:09,410 road and enter a tree section then the 1302 00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:10,720 road stops have wind through the trees 1303 00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:13,070 at this point they lose sight of the 1304 00:55:17,860 --> 00:55:14,960 object and they just go well that was a 1305 00:55:20,770 --> 00:55:17,870 bit dry I engine no we'll just head on 1306 00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:20,780 our way they set off the main road which 1307 00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,140 is a which is a notar road over onto a 1308 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:27,200 dirt track and of a little bridge as I 1309 00:55:33,850 --> 00:55:30,290 go a little bridge they look across to 1310 00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:33,860 the right and they see this white light 1311 00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:39,920 is right where they are again but what's 1312 00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:42,020 this thing doing here then the light 1313 00:55:47,260 --> 00:55:44,870 goes up the hill ahead of the car and 1314 00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:47,270 they start driving up the hill the 1315 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:49,280 light's gone ahead and at the top of the 1316 00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:53,090 hill the life stops and it waits for the 1317 00:56:00,670 --> 00:55:58,130 car to reach the top of the hill when 1318 00:56:05,020 --> 00:56:00,680 they reach the top of the hill they see 1319 00:56:08,430 --> 00:56:05,030 that the object is a small ball of fear 1320 00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:08,440 it's about two feet across it has to I 1321 00:56:13,690 --> 00:56:11,270 going to call them fiends that come out 1322 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:13,700 horizontally from it about a foot or so 1323 00:56:20,650 --> 00:56:16,730 and then it has to involve off spin 1324 00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:20,660 coming out at a 45-degree at the base so 1325 00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:22,070 it's got two things underneath it and 1326 00:56:27,940 --> 00:56:25,390 two fins horizontally and it has like a 1327 00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:27,950 this is my words it has like an eye on 1328 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:30,980 the front of it so this small object is 1329 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:34,610 hovering just above a farm gate and as 1330 00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:38,690 they approached all of a sudden the 1331 00:56:44,650 --> 00:56:41,870 object shines a tremendous blast of 1332 00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:44,660 light onto the car and it lit up the 1333 00:56:51,310 --> 00:56:46,910 entire area for hundreds of feet around 1334 00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:51,320 like broad daylight and the witness when 1335 00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,100 I just want to track 1336 00:57:00,010 --> 00:56:55,040 witness down she describes it as being a 1337 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:00,020 hot heat this little object that was two 1338 00:57:05,230 --> 00:57:02,690 feet across with its fin shown a 1339 00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,240 tremendous amount of energy a tremendous 1340 00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:07,760 amount of light to turn that dark and 1341 00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:11,150 country location into an absolute 1342 00:57:19,570 --> 00:57:13,730 daylight situation so the farmers 1343 00:57:21,010 --> 00:57:19,580 continued driving and felt pretty scared 1344 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:21,020 by this point in time so they drive down 1345 00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:23,690 the hill on the other side oh and this 1346 00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:25,910 object just floats out across next to 1347 00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:27,620 them on the right and they can see it up 1348 00:57:30,970 --> 00:57:28,910 through the trees and it's following 1349 00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:30,980 them down to the where they have to go 1350 00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:32,990 to open a gate to go down to where they 1351 00:57:37,810 --> 00:57:35,480 turn the water off so as they get to the 1352 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:37,820 gate they jump out of the car open the 1353 00:57:41,650 --> 00:57:39,410 gate drive through shut the gate the 1354 00:57:44,290 --> 00:57:41,660 objects just hovering silently in the 1355 00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:44,300 sky following them they drive down to 1356 00:57:47,470 --> 00:57:45,590 the river which I've been out of 1357 00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:47,480 locations probably around about half a 1358 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:50,030 kilometer they tries down there they 1359 00:57:56,580 --> 00:57:52,730 stop a car the object comes across and 1360 00:57:58,530 --> 00:57:56,590 it stops above them and it waits and so 1361 00:58:00,640 --> 00:57:58,540 they sit there 1362 00:58:03,220 --> 00:58:00,650 scared out of their brains that this 1363 00:58:05,110 --> 00:58:03,230 thing is is is taking such an active 1364 00:58:06,910 --> 00:58:05,120 interest in them one of them jumps out 1365 00:58:09,070 --> 00:58:06,920 turns the pump off they hop back in the 1366 00:58:11,230 --> 00:58:09,080 car a squeal of tires and they drive 1367 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:11,240 back across the field at about at about 1368 00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:14,210 60 miles an hour really scared the 1369 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:16,840 objects followed us and back up they 1370 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:19,370 hastily go through the gate back up the 1371 00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:21,050 hill when they get to the top of the 1372 00:58:25,810 --> 00:58:23,270 hill again this little object shines 1373 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:25,820 another tremendous blast of light over 1374 00:58:30,580 --> 00:58:28,490 their car they drive down back onto the 1375 00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:30,590 main road and then they drive home why 1376 00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:33,350 does ghosts and they get out the woman's 1377 00:58:36,910 --> 00:58:35,150 mother says what happened to you me so 1378 00:58:40,030 --> 00:58:36,920 we just had this horrible horrible 1379 00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:40,040 experience out on the road with this 1380 00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:43,040 life just chased this and shown this 1381 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:46,160 tremendous light on it so when I read 1382 00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:47,570 about this case which was given to me 1383 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:51,280 Baba I'm like semen is in an old yellow 1384 00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,050 Australian UFO bulletin I thought to 1385 00:58:58,780 --> 00:58:56,480 myself this is a really good case it's a 1386 00:59:00,700 --> 00:58:58,790 really great little case I want to try 1387 00:59:02,740 --> 00:59:00,710 and find out you know where it is 1388 00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,750 occurred unfortunately the description 1389 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:04,640 had a really good at a really good 1390 00:59:07,570 --> 00:59:05,690 script 1391 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:07,580 of where it occurred now I kind of knew 1392 00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:09,170 the area but not but not but not 1393 00:59:17,170 --> 00:59:13,430 intimately so I leave my partner Ilana 1394 00:59:20,740 --> 00:59:17,180 we hopped in the car and we drove up to 1395 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:20,750 Dargo and we spend an afternoon reading 1396 00:59:24,730 --> 00:59:22,610 the information that we had there's no 1397 00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:24,740 street names listed or Road names listed 1398 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:26,420 we just had to go purely by description 1399 00:59:33,340 --> 00:59:29,770 in this in this yellowed old journal and 1400 00:59:35,340 --> 00:59:33,350 we went into Dargo and we we asked at 1401 00:59:38,770 --> 00:59:35,350 the general store yo like does anyone 1402 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:38,780 know how about a dozen and we sort of 1403 00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:40,490 you know didn't really get anywhere 1404 00:59:43,210 --> 00:59:41,630 there because the people were quite knew 1405 00:59:46,030 --> 00:59:43,220 that he'd been in Dargo for five years 1406 00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:46,040 not not like 40 50 years so we hopped 1407 00:59:50,350 --> 00:59:48,110 back in our car and we we drove back out 1408 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:50,360 and we eventually we found the road and 1409 00:59:53,980 --> 00:59:51,770 we and we followed the whole track 1410 00:59:55,450 --> 00:59:53,990 through the deep cutting the bridge up 1411 00:59:57,490 --> 00:59:55,460 the hill down the hill we found the 1412 00:59:59,170 --> 00:59:57,500 exact gate where the object had shown 1413 01:00:01,720 --> 00:59:59,180 the brilliant the brilliant display of 1414 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:01,730 life over the car and so it really 1415 01:00:06,610 --> 01:00:03,530 starts were happy that we that we'd 1416 01:00:10,090 --> 01:00:06,620 found this actual location so we're able 1417 01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:10,100 to follow the exact route that the that 1418 01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,140 the witnesses had taken we were able to 1419 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:14,000 go right down to the farm gate we didn't 1420 01:00:18,940 --> 01:00:15,050 go onto the private property that we 1421 01:00:21,250 --> 01:00:18,950 drove right then farm don't even handle 1422 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:21,260 on the geography of what they had done 1423 01:00:25,210 --> 01:00:24,050 at what they experienced so you know and 1424 01:00:27,490 --> 01:00:25,220 they said to job Jake seemed to go 1425 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:27,500 higher as they went down to the down to 1426 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:29,450 the down to the paddock but the thing 1427 01:00:36,190 --> 01:00:34,010 was with that that basically the object 1428 01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,200 didn't descend it just stayed at the 1429 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:38,240 exact height they descended down into 1430 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:40,330 the down to where the fence was and 1431 01:00:44,530 --> 01:00:42,650 today the object just remained at the 1432 01:00:47,650 --> 01:00:44,540 same trajectory from the height so 1433 01:00:50,590 --> 01:00:47,660 that's what they actually did so we had 1434 01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:50,600 a really good handle on on the on the 1435 01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,270 the geography of it and when we went 1436 01:00:58,300 --> 01:00:55,760 back home that night I actually posted 1437 01:00:59,530 --> 01:00:58,310 on to onto Facebook that we've been to 1438 01:01:02,130 --> 01:00:59,540 Dargo he's done this little 1439 01:01:05,230 --> 01:01:02,140 investigation and one of my friends on 1440 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:05,240 Facebook said to me 1441 01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:07,970 I'm from Dargo perhaps I can find out a 1442 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:09,950 bit more information for you and so 1443 01:01:13,180 --> 01:01:11,690 watching what she did was she said my 1444 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:13,190 aunty's is up there she's been there for 1445 01:01:18,910 --> 01:01:17,090 4050 years I love her so she asked her 1446 01:01:21,099 --> 01:01:18,920 auntie and her 1447 01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:21,109 tea and go around his phone number and I 1448 01:01:26,859 --> 01:01:24,260 rang her and she said ah yes yes I that 1449 01:01:29,289 --> 01:01:26,869 will be that will be Mary Mary had a 1450 01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:29,299 strange encounter 40 years ago I got our 1451 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:31,190 water a duck's everything to pay for her 1452 01:01:37,569 --> 01:01:33,890 so if you want to come warbles around 1453 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:37,579 we're going to chat with our smaller we 1454 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:38,930 got very lucky 1455 01:01:45,339 --> 01:01:42,770 by bike yeah yeah yeah we got very very 1456 01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:45,349 lucky that but that was actually the 1457 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:47,900 case so we went back to Dargo the phone 1458 01:01:54,190 --> 01:01:52,730 weekend and we were able to go and meet 1459 01:01:58,930 --> 01:01:54,200 the original witnesses now in her 1460 01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:58,940 eighties and we have a chat with and now 1461 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:00,079 the woman was terrified absolutely 1462 01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:01,490 terrified and she didn't even really 1463 01:02:04,329 --> 01:02:02,990 want to talk about it this is one thing 1464 01:02:05,470 --> 01:02:04,339 that investigators have to remember that 1465 01:02:07,180 --> 01:02:05,480 you know these people better horrible to 1466 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:07,190 him it's a horrible experience and we 1467 01:02:13,089 --> 01:02:10,970 basically we you know we had to talk sit 1468 01:02:15,730 --> 01:02:13,099 down and we had a cup of cup of tea with 1469 01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:15,740 her and some scones or biscuits do you 1470 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:19,280 go buckle and we sat there and we we 1471 01:02:22,930 --> 01:02:20,930 spoke about cooking walnuts and all 1472 01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:22,940 sorts of stuff and eventually we got 1473 01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,950 around to being able to turn her truck 1474 01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:26,720 I'll start talking about the incident 1475 01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:29,569 and she confirmed to us that you know 1476 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:31,640 this was this is an absolutely horrible 1477 01:02:37,299 --> 01:02:34,010 horrible experience she had lived in 1478 01:02:38,859 --> 01:02:37,309 Togo her entire life and since that 1479 01:02:41,470 --> 01:02:38,869 incident she said she never drove around 1480 01:02:43,420 --> 01:02:41,480 Dargo at night ever ever since that 1481 01:02:46,930 --> 01:02:43,430 incident in 1976 she never drives around 1482 01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:46,940 there at night so she was very very very 1483 01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:50,480 scared of what had occurred to her now 1484 01:02:55,030 --> 01:02:52,609 they also knew the young man who was her 1485 01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,040 cousin and they said look you know give 1486 01:02:59,799 --> 01:02:57,200 him a ring he might he might talk to you 1487 01:03:04,059 --> 01:02:59,809 he would be he had been he 60s now or 1488 01:03:06,579 --> 01:03:04,069 you know late 60s so funny story is he 1489 01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:06,589 actually lived about 50 meters away from 1490 01:03:11,980 --> 01:03:09,049 where I lived at the time and basically 1491 01:03:15,789 --> 01:03:11,990 I rang him up and he didn't want to talk 1492 01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:15,799 about hey can you um yeah can you hold 1493 01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:17,839 just just wait I'm going to start you 1494 01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:20,809 right here but what's going to happen is 1495 01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:23,599 I'm understanding that it must be on my 1496 01:03:27,849 --> 01:03:25,369 side because we're still having the lag 1497 01:03:30,050 --> 01:03:27,859 so 1498 01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:30,060 maybe you want to get your little pooch 1499 01:03:32,930 --> 01:03:31,500 there put them on your lap and I'm going 1500 01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:32,940 to call you back on skype after I 1501 01:03:38,270 --> 01:03:36,900 restart Skype I hear it all dog in the 1502 01:03:40,790 --> 01:03:38,280 background yeah 1503 01:03:42,650 --> 01:03:40,800 alright so I'll call you right back I'm 1504 01:03:44,570 --> 01:03:42,660 going to reboot Skype and hang in there 1505 01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:44,580 live listener we'll get this thing 1506 01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,660 straightened out and hoping it's on my 1507 01:03:55,570 --> 01:03:50,640 side and we'll just give it another call 1508 01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:55,580 here as soon as Skype restarts and 1509 01:04:00,680 --> 01:03:59,280 you're welcome to post some questions 1510 01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,690 matter of fact I have some questions 1511 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:02,880 coming up in the forum if anyone would 1512 01:04:22,590 --> 01:04:10,050 like to do that new window okay alright 1513 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:31,250 okay so seems to be ringing here we go 1514 01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:35,890 hello letter so yes it does sound better 1515 01:04:42,030 --> 01:04:38,530 the sound is so much better on on Skype 1516 01:04:46,380 --> 01:04:42,040 than it is on your phone for some reason 1517 01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:46,390 so you were right at the point where you 1518 01:04:51,150 --> 01:04:48,640 were talking about 1519 01:04:53,580 --> 01:04:51,160 the younger one and he just said that he 1520 01:04:56,610 --> 01:04:53,590 had absolutely no interest in talking to 1521 01:04:59,820 --> 01:04:56,620 you and so if you can continue from that 1522 01:05:01,920 --> 01:04:59,830 point on decimals you shall take it 1523 01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:01,930 sorry about the dogs the the postman 1524 01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:04,510 turned up so it's just a bit too they 1525 01:05:10,170 --> 01:05:08,110 get a bit excited so yes so you know it 1526 01:05:11,970 --> 01:05:10,180 was because we've done a lot of work in 1527 01:05:13,710 --> 01:05:11,980 you know you know tracking down where 1528 01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:13,720 they were and was so lucky to get to get 1529 01:05:18,060 --> 01:05:16,000 to speak to the female witness I was 1530 01:05:20,780 --> 01:05:18,070 devastated when the cousin decided that 1531 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:20,790 he didn't want to talk to me and I 1532 01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:23,170 suppose we just got on a roll with the 1533 01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:25,510 whole thing and it says a caution I have 1534 01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:27,430 for investigators is that is the fact 1535 01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:28,960 that you know you're having results you 1536 01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:30,670 get in somewhere you're still are going 1537 01:05:35,330 --> 01:05:32,710 to hit hit little snags different points 1538 01:05:37,230 --> 01:05:35,340 in time and the reason why I was 1539 01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:37,240 disappointed I couldn't speak to the 1540 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:38,710 second witness was because he was 1541 01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:40,930 younger than her and she was definitely 1542 01:05:45,450 --> 01:05:42,940 in her in her mid 80s by the time we got 1543 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:45,460 to talk to her so you know it's a long 1544 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:47,170 time ago for her and she's a lot older 1545 01:05:50,370 --> 01:05:48,730 you know he would have been a lot 1546 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:50,380 younger and I would have been and he was 1547 01:05:54,570 --> 01:05:52,570 driving as well so I would have been 1548 01:05:57,780 --> 01:05:54,580 really really really happy to talk to 1549 01:06:00,000 --> 01:05:57,790 him in it it's not to say that it won't 1550 01:06:00,690 --> 01:06:00,010 happen it still might but at this point 1551 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:00,700 in time 1552 01:06:04,350 --> 01:06:02,770 that conversation hasn't occurred so 1553 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:04,360 that was a little bit a little bit 1554 01:06:08,610 --> 01:06:07,330 disappointing so that you know so that's 1555 01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:08,620 that's the basics of that particular 1556 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:10,960 particular incident and you know it 1557 01:06:13,860 --> 01:06:12,490 would have been lost now it's been 1558 01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,870 preserved I wrote an article in 1559 01:06:18,270 --> 01:06:16,000 ufologist magazine here in Australia 1560 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:18,280 about that case and about the the 1561 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:20,890 process that we went through to bring it 1562 01:06:25,890 --> 01:06:24,250 back to life so it's it's now it's now 1563 01:06:27,930 --> 01:06:25,900 preserved we went up to Dargo last 1564 01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:27,940 weekend and we we shot up we shot on 1565 01:06:33,570 --> 01:06:30,310 location where it occurred so I've done 1566 01:06:36,010 --> 01:06:33,580 a video for V fellow TV that will can be 1567 01:06:38,620 --> 01:06:36,020 up shortly where people can actually 1568 01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,630 the entire you know where they went and 1569 01:06:42,550 --> 01:06:40,400 you know I talked about a different 1570 01:06:43,870 --> 01:06:42,560 point so that's one example of one 1571 01:06:47,020 --> 01:06:43,880 little case that's going to make it into 1572 01:06:49,030 --> 01:06:47,030 my book that stands out for me is a is a 1573 01:06:50,980 --> 01:06:49,040 good close encounter to you know 1574 01:06:52,450 --> 01:06:50,990 everyday estarán yeah so I mentioned 1575 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:52,460 just a second ago that I have a number 1576 01:06:57,340 --> 01:06:54,410 of questions in our forum I just looked 1577 01:07:01,600 --> 01:06:57,350 we have like 15 of them so I'm going to 1578 01:07:04,330 --> 01:07:01,610 get to those I think that cases where 1579 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:04,340 someone doesn't want to talk about it I 1580 01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:07,130 think those are the best cases you know 1581 01:07:12,010 --> 01:07:08,960 because they're absolutely not looking 1582 01:07:13,810 --> 01:07:12,020 for any type of Fame at all you know 1583 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:13,820 they just kind of wanted to go away and 1584 01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:16,850 to me that just gives a lot more 1585 01:07:23,650 --> 01:07:21,680 credibility it certainly does and like 1586 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:23,660 there's no way 9 we could have spoken to 1587 01:07:26,620 --> 01:07:25,490 her if we had a way to just log into 1588 01:07:28,450 --> 01:07:26,630 town 1589 01:07:30,970 --> 01:07:28,460 there's no way knowing that we could 1590 01:07:34,570 --> 01:07:30,980 have spoken to this woman we had to get 1591 01:07:37,180 --> 01:07:34,580 local local trust to a cheater 1592 01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:37,190 sure okay so one of the questions here 1593 01:07:41,890 --> 01:07:39,710 you mentioned this real briefly but 1594 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:41,900 what's your personal opinion on the Fred 1595 01:07:48,340 --> 01:07:45,650 Valentich disappearance in his light 1596 01:07:51,849 --> 01:07:48,350 aircraft first of all I think that is an 1597 01:07:54,609 --> 01:07:51,859 amazing kind of like an abduction of a 1598 01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:54,619 plane or it sure seemed like it anyway 1599 01:07:58,960 --> 01:07:57,050 with all the noises and and all that can 1600 01:08:02,580 --> 01:07:58,970 you for the person that it's unfamiliar 1601 01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:02,590 with that can you just give a real quick 1602 01:08:08,310 --> 01:08:04,640 encapsulation of what the story is and 1603 01:08:12,609 --> 01:08:08,320 then go ahead and answer that question 1604 01:08:14,890 --> 01:08:12,619 certainly so on October 21st 1978 Fred 1605 01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:14,900 Valenta CH was flying his Cessna la 1606 01:08:21,789 --> 01:08:19,310 fight aircraft from Moorabbin Airport in 1607 01:08:23,410 --> 01:08:21,799 Melbourne to King Island which is a 1608 01:08:25,420 --> 01:08:23,420 small island between Victoria and 1609 01:08:28,059 --> 01:08:25,430 Tasmania he was going over there to pick 1610 01:08:29,710 --> 01:08:28,069 up some crayfish for some military 1611 01:08:34,030 --> 01:08:29,720 friends because he was in the cadets and 1612 01:08:35,740 --> 01:08:34,040 he was he had been involved in in in in 1613 01:08:39,820 --> 01:08:35,750 cadets and things like that so he was 1614 01:08:41,890 --> 01:08:39,830 going over there to pick that up so he 1615 01:08:43,809 --> 01:08:41,900 left a bit late that day he was meant to 1616 01:08:46,150 --> 01:08:43,819 take off at around about 6 o'clock 6 1617 01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:46,160 p.m. and he didn't get away for about 20 1618 01:08:49,930 --> 01:08:47,690 minutes later so and it was his first 1619 01:08:51,550 --> 01:08:49,940 nighttime flight that 1620 01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:51,560 the that's the other interesting and 1621 01:08:58,059 --> 01:08:54,290 perhaps a key point for this case it was 1622 01:09:00,010 --> 01:08:58,069 the first time he'd flown at night and 1623 01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:00,020 he was an experienced pilot and he was 1624 01:09:04,660 --> 01:09:01,630 working towards becoming a commercial 1625 01:09:06,729 --> 01:09:04,670 commercial pilot so he took off and so 1626 01:09:08,979 --> 01:09:06,739 at that time the day was a very nice and 1627 01:09:11,050 --> 01:09:08,989 clear day so the Sun was setting and up 1628 01:09:13,329 --> 01:09:11,060 at about you know the altitude that he 1629 01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:13,339 was that you know he could see quite 1630 01:09:21,010 --> 01:09:17,600 clearly and so he said across and down 1631 01:09:22,599 --> 01:09:21,020 into the tip of Victoria and he makes a 1632 01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:22,609 turn and he starts heading out over the 1633 01:09:28,329 --> 01:09:25,759 water basically at this point something 1634 01:09:30,809 --> 01:09:28,339 starts to interact with him while he is 1635 01:09:35,769 --> 01:09:30,819 in the sky and he has a conversation 1636 01:09:39,789 --> 01:09:35,779 with with the flight services officer 1637 01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:39,799 who was on who was on duty at 1638 01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,900 tullamarine airport now flight services 1639 01:09:45,999 --> 01:09:44,000 is different to an air traffic 1640 01:09:48,459 --> 01:09:46,009 controller flight services are there to 1641 01:09:49,420 --> 01:09:48,469 help pilots and troubleshoot issues with 1642 01:09:50,979 --> 01:09:49,430 them and things like that 1643 01:09:53,289 --> 01:09:50,989 rather than purely plotting where they 1644 01:09:54,610 --> 01:09:53,299 actually are so the flight services 1645 01:09:57,820 --> 01:09:54,620 officer was Steve Robey 1646 01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:57,830 and this very famous conversation now 1647 01:10:05,140 --> 01:10:01,520 occurred between the pilot and the 1648 01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:05,150 flight services officer and basically to 1649 01:10:10,450 --> 01:10:07,760 keep a short shorter version of it an 1650 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:10,460 object started buzzing his aircraft as 1651 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:13,010 he was as he was flying along his 1652 01:10:20,189 --> 01:10:16,610 aircraft started coughing it's started 1653 01:10:22,990 --> 01:10:20,199 having you know some sort of issue and 1654 01:10:24,939 --> 01:10:23,000 he basically ended up saying that 1655 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:24,949 there's an object hovering above me and 1656 01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:26,690 it's it's not an aircraft II and he 1657 01:10:30,189 --> 01:10:28,190 initially asked you know is there any 1658 01:10:31,330 --> 01:10:30,199 known air traffic as the RAF doing 1659 01:10:32,650 --> 01:10:31,340 anything you know he was just trying to 1660 01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:32,660 find out who might have been up there 1661 01:10:36,459 --> 01:10:35,120 with him on that on that evening and he 1662 01:10:38,590 --> 01:10:36,469 and when he found out that there was 1663 01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:38,600 nobody up there who was meant to be up 1664 01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,510 there it became a bit strange so the 1665 01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:43,520 transcript of what he actually says is 1666 01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:45,230 readily available you can you can google 1667 01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:47,360 that anytime and you can read that 1668 01:10:53,260 --> 01:10:50,510 transcripts between Fred Valenti and the 1669 01:10:56,050 --> 01:10:53,270 flight services officer Steve Robey so 1670 01:10:58,150 --> 01:10:56,060 that was a that was and basically he 1671 01:11:00,520 --> 01:10:58,160 disappeared so he says it's hovering 1672 01:11:02,229 --> 01:11:00,530 above me it's not an aircraft then 1673 01:11:03,370 --> 01:11:02,239 there's a strange metallic sort of a 1674 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:03,380 scraping sound 1675 01:11:07,690 --> 01:11:05,210 ball-bearing rattling around in a team 1676 01:11:10,540 --> 01:11:07,700 that sort of annoys for about 17 seconds 1677 01:11:13,420 --> 01:11:10,550 at the end of the recording and then 1678 01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:13,430 he's gone gone gone gone no trace they 1679 01:11:16,660 --> 01:11:15,110 started looking for him straightaway and 1680 01:11:18,610 --> 01:11:16,670 they looked for him for two weeks they 1681 01:11:21,190 --> 01:11:18,620 found no sign of the plane they found no 1682 01:11:23,980 --> 01:11:21,200 wreckage they found no oil slicks they 1683 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:23,990 found nothing that plane literally just 1684 01:11:28,690 --> 01:11:27,050 disappeared into thin air so and on that 1685 01:11:30,580 --> 01:11:28,700 particular day all up and down the 1686 01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:30,590 coastline of Victoria there was a an 1687 01:11:36,270 --> 01:11:32,830 absolute UFO flap there was reports of 1688 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:36,280 UFOs up and down that that Western 1689 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:39,050 Victorian coastline a man who was on 1690 01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,210 holidays took some photographs at that 1691 01:11:45,190 --> 01:11:43,040 time and caught a really unusual object 1692 01:11:49,180 --> 01:11:45,200 on the same night that Fred disappeared 1693 01:11:51,970 --> 01:11:49,190 so it was 1978 another key year an hour 1694 01:11:53,980 --> 01:11:51,980 in our UFO history here in Victoria so 1695 01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:53,990 what happened to him I mean that's 1696 01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:57,650 that's the that's the beer in question 1697 01:12:00,520 --> 01:11:58,880 you know what happened to him did he 1698 01:12:02,230 --> 01:12:00,530 I mean logic would say he ended up in 1699 01:12:03,610 --> 01:12:02,240 the ended up in Bass Strait you'd have 1700 01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:03,620 to say that a plane with a coughing 1701 01:12:07,540 --> 01:12:05,540 engine is going to go down and he's 1702 01:12:11,410 --> 01:12:07,550 going to end up in the in the water but 1703 01:12:12,850 --> 01:12:11,420 there was no evidence to suggest that he 1704 01:12:15,490 --> 01:12:12,860 did do that that he ended up in the 1705 01:12:17,860 --> 01:12:15,500 water they didn't find anything so you 1706 01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,870 know that's part of the usual is this 1707 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:19,520 there's a fairly light aircraft you know 1708 01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:21,770 even if it crashed into the water then B 1709 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:23,270 bits broken off it and that's float 1710 01:12:27,850 --> 01:12:25,850 around out there so it'd be highly on 1711 01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:27,860 for assessing that impact on the water 1712 01:12:32,830 --> 01:12:30,560 instantly sink to the bottom I would I 1713 01:12:36,010 --> 01:12:32,840 would say exactly and another thing is 1714 01:12:39,190 --> 01:12:36,020 there's always an oil or gas slick as 1715 01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:39,200 they say that just spreads really really 1716 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:41,630 far you know a drop of gasoline it 1717 01:12:46,570 --> 01:12:44,090 spreads pretty far so usually when 1718 01:12:48,730 --> 01:12:46,580 something like a plane hits the water 1719 01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:48,740 not only is there floating debris but 1720 01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:51,350 there's also that sign that that they do 1721 01:12:57,220 --> 01:12:55,310 look for yes okay another question is 1722 01:12:59,050 --> 01:12:57,230 and thank you for that I always thought 1723 01:13:04,390 --> 01:12:59,060 that was a really fascinating and very 1724 01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:04,400 spooky case it is very slight with the 1725 01:13:09,310 --> 01:13:07,160 vastness of the Australian outback have 1726 01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:09,320 there been any reports of unexplained 1727 01:13:13,780 --> 01:13:12,110 ground markings like crop circles and 1728 01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:13,790 remote areas I've never heard of crop 1729 01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:16,710 circles there is that has that has that 1730 01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:20,400 happened yes yeah don't think don't 1731 01:13:25,550 --> 01:13:23,100 think like England you know where you 1732 01:13:27,170 --> 01:13:25,560 get these intricate artworks in fields 1733 01:13:28,750 --> 01:13:27,180 in England we don't tend to have that 1734 01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:28,760 here in Australia but there has been 1735 01:13:34,730 --> 01:13:33,510 multitudes of landing trace evidence is 1736 01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:34,740 what I would like to call it 1737 01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,370 they have been circle was in wheat 1738 01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:40,560 fields up in the western districts the 1739 01:13:43,700 --> 01:13:42,300 north at the top of Victoria the top 1740 01:13:45,860 --> 01:13:43,710 northwestern part of Victoria is 1741 01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,870 basically desert country and they do 1742 01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:48,000 grow wheat up in that up in that part of 1743 01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:49,560 the world up there and there's a great 1744 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:53,400 case up there of a on a particular farm 1745 01:13:59,420 --> 01:13:56,130 where they had to combine harvesters 1746 01:14:01,280 --> 01:13:59,430 were out harvesting the harvesting the 1747 01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,290 wheat and it was only because they were 1748 01:14:04,670 --> 01:14:03,120 so high up in the combine harvesters 1749 01:14:07,190 --> 01:14:04,680 that they could see these compressed 1750 01:14:09,530 --> 01:14:07,200 circles in the in the wheat field 1751 01:14:11,300 --> 01:14:09,540 Wow and one of the investigators from 1752 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:11,310 view force went up there and he 1753 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:12,770 basically said it was absolutely 1754 01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,850 compressed to the ground it was as if 1755 01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,040 some some type of a you know heavy 1756 01:14:21,740 --> 01:14:18,960 weight had compressed and and that in 1757 01:14:24,620 --> 01:14:21,750 the soil had been basically almost baked 1758 01:14:25,940 --> 01:14:24,630 in in the way that it had been compacted 1759 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:25,950 and digging through it was very very 1760 01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:28,890 hard he got he got sick as well when he 1761 01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:31,260 was in that in that vicinity so it was 1762 01:14:36,140 --> 01:14:34,380 that's a really good example of what 1763 01:14:37,670 --> 01:14:36,150 happened and even and that farm kind of 1764 01:14:39,980 --> 01:14:37,680 had some other strange stuff happened to 1765 01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:39,990 that the owners came home one day and 1766 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:42,780 they saw this this bright light hovering 1767 01:14:46,250 --> 01:14:44,730 in the paddock and all the Sheep had run 1768 01:14:48,260 --> 01:14:46,260 over to the other side of the paddock 1769 01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:48,270 and his this bright light and so the 1770 01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:49,710 bright light takes off and they walk out 1771 01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:50,880 into the paddock the animals are 1772 01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:53,040 terrified and they find this eagle on 1773 01:14:57,740 --> 01:14:54,690 the ground and his eagle is wandering 1774 01:14:59,690 --> 01:14:57,750 around as if it's completely dazed it 1775 01:15:01,580 --> 01:14:59,700 couldn't fly it couldn't do anything so 1776 01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:01,590 that was a really strange incident that 1777 01:15:05,900 --> 01:15:04,080 occurred on the same property so yes we 1778 01:15:07,820 --> 01:15:05,910 do to answer the question from the from 1779 01:15:11,900 --> 01:15:07,830 the listener absolutely there's been a 1780 01:15:13,970 --> 01:15:11,910 great array of crop so call it crop 1781 01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:13,980 circles but I prefer to call it landing 1782 01:15:19,460 --> 01:15:17,280 trace case evidence around our state 1783 01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:19,470 where things have touched down farmers 1784 01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:21,300 know their properties you know they know 1785 01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:23,130 when something strange is has occurred 1786 01:15:27,710 --> 01:15:24,840 even if they didn't see it like the 1787 01:15:29,450 --> 01:15:27,720 following day so yes there's there's a 1788 01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:29,460 long history of that okay this is a 1789 01:15:35,149 --> 01:15:30,239 great question 1790 01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:35,159 up on the on the forum the 1993 Kelly 1791 01:15:40,549 --> 01:15:38,489 Cahill case was mentioned on an x-files 1792 01:15:43,549 --> 01:15:40,559 reboot episode last year 1793 01:15:46,220 --> 01:15:43,559 Mulder sites sites the case to test 1794 01:15:47,989 --> 01:15:46,230 someone's knowledge of ET cases what can 1795 01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:47,999 you tell us about this actual case and 1796 01:15:51,890 --> 01:15:50,159 then in parentheses as a joke he says 1797 01:15:54,109 --> 01:15:51,900 just in case you run we run into 1798 01:15:58,720 --> 01:15:54,119 Mulder one day and he gives us the same 1799 01:16:02,629 --> 01:15:58,730 test how about that 1800 01:16:05,209 --> 01:16:02,639 look this is this case has the potential 1801 01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:05,219 to be probably the best case in the 1802 01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:09,179 world and and I say that with true 1803 01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,449 seriousness has the potential it's it's 1804 01:16:16,549 --> 01:16:13,920 not the greatest case in the world but 1805 01:16:18,589 --> 01:16:16,559 it definitely has the potential to be so 1806 01:16:20,779 --> 01:16:18,599 what again I'm trying to capsulate 1807 01:16:23,390 --> 01:16:20,789 things for you in a brief format not not 1808 01:16:26,959 --> 01:16:23,400 give you a full story but basically one 1809 01:16:29,629 --> 01:16:26,969 night on August 8th in the middle of 1810 01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,639 winter in the mid 90s this lady and her 1811 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:31,679 husband had been driving up to visit a 1812 01:16:36,770 --> 01:16:33,210 friend and they were on their return 1813 01:16:39,709 --> 01:16:36,780 journey on the way up she had seen a UFO 1814 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:39,719 was it was his big bright orange lights 1815 01:16:46,220 --> 01:16:42,570 double circular and she'd seen it 1816 01:16:50,750 --> 01:16:46,230 sitting hovering silently when they came 1817 01:16:53,509 --> 01:16:50,760 back down they saw the same object out 1818 01:16:55,399 --> 01:16:53,519 in the ad in a field at that time now 1819 01:16:58,700 --> 01:16:55,409 it's all housing there but back in back 1820 01:17:01,250 --> 01:16:58,710 in the 90s it was just a field and I've 1821 01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:01,260 been to the location ad in the field 1822 01:17:06,879 --> 01:17:04,320 here is just big bright amber colored 1823 01:17:09,169 --> 01:17:06,889 circles about four or five of them and 1824 01:17:11,049 --> 01:17:09,179 standing within those of Lambor lights 1825 01:17:15,589 --> 01:17:11,059 they can see little silhouettes of 1826 01:17:17,569 --> 01:17:15,599 beings standing there so it looked stop 1827 01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:17,579 their power and they got out and they 1828 01:17:22,009 --> 01:17:19,920 look wow what the hell is this and then 1829 01:17:24,410 --> 01:17:22,019 another car stopped a bit further down 1830 01:17:26,419 --> 01:17:24,420 the road and then another car stopped a 1831 01:17:28,729 --> 01:17:26,429 bit further down so this is where the 1832 01:17:31,850 --> 01:17:28,739 case becomes really really good because 1833 01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:31,860 it had independent witnesses in three 1834 01:17:36,830 --> 01:17:34,110 vehicles all looking at a at a high 1835 01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:36,840 strangeness event often it's just the 1836 01:17:41,299 --> 01:17:39,510 the one party or the one person or you 1837 01:17:43,129 --> 01:17:41,309 know and they're all connected these 1838 01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:43,139 people were not connected to each other 1839 01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:44,130 in any way there 1840 01:17:48,979 --> 01:17:46,500 we'll just stopped on this on this you 1841 01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:48,989 know dark road in them in the middle of 1842 01:17:55,729 --> 01:17:52,080 the night you know and what happens then 1843 01:17:58,129 --> 01:17:55,739 is a blue light a blue beam a PD is 1844 01:18:00,050 --> 01:17:58,139 underneath the craft and blue beam comes 1845 01:18:02,540 --> 01:18:00,060 down to the ground and lights it up in a 1846 01:18:04,939 --> 01:18:02,550 in a in a sort of a bluish glow 1847 01:18:07,220 --> 01:18:04,949 underneath the underneath the object 1848 01:18:09,950 --> 01:18:07,230 then all of a sudden these these figures 1849 01:18:12,350 --> 01:18:09,960 appear these humanoid figures appear at 1850 01:18:14,930 --> 01:18:12,360 the base of the blue beam sounds very 1851 01:18:17,180 --> 01:18:14,940 science fictiony and then all of us 1852 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:17,190 these beings are tall and skinny and 1853 01:18:25,459 --> 01:18:22,530 black and the eyes all of a sudden light 1854 01:18:29,930 --> 01:18:25,469 up bright red and then they're like a 1855 01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:29,940 flock of flies I big big flies on the on 1856 01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:33,300 these black on these dark phases then 1857 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:37,199 these beings all instantly shoot across 1858 01:18:41,780 --> 01:18:39,530 the paddock towards the witnesses oh 1859 01:18:44,419 --> 01:18:41,790 sorry one thing happened before that a 1860 01:18:46,129 --> 01:18:44,429 pulse came out from the object and it's 1861 01:18:47,930 --> 01:18:46,139 and it's been described as being like 1862 01:18:49,580 --> 01:18:47,940 when you're at a concert in the base the 1863 01:18:52,250 --> 01:18:49,590 base drums banging into you at a concert 1864 01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:52,260 it was like that type of effect is is 1865 01:18:57,740 --> 01:18:55,920 this burst of energy came from came from 1866 01:19:02,060 --> 01:18:57,750 the craft and it knocked them off their 1867 01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:02,070 feet then those the lizard up beings 1868 01:19:08,209 --> 01:19:04,500 came gliding across the paddock towards 1869 01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:08,219 where they were and that's the basics of 1870 01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:12,210 that particular case so it's really it's 1871 01:19:17,959 --> 01:19:14,370 a it was a very complex case with 1872 01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:17,969 multiple witness to trace evidence in 1873 01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:21,210 the in the in the field there was marks 1874 01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:22,800 on the ground that had been left there 1875 01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:26,370 when the object had departed and it was 1876 01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:28,290 a case that got political in the end and 1877 01:19:34,220 --> 01:19:31,380 it really had got shot basically it 1878 01:19:36,110 --> 01:19:34,230 basically got shut down and and and it's 1879 01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:36,120 not really discussed that the witnesses 1880 01:19:41,959 --> 01:19:39,090 of the the primary witnesses has 1881 01:19:44,030 --> 01:19:41,969 disappeared which is Kelly the other 1882 01:19:46,820 --> 01:19:44,040 witnesses were never publicly identified 1883 01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:46,830 so we don't know who they are that 1884 01:19:50,540 --> 01:19:49,170 they're not available to talk to so 1885 01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:50,550 that's where I said this case has the 1886 01:19:57,050 --> 01:19:53,130 potential to be one of the best cases in 1887 01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:57,060 history but it's hampered by the fact 1888 01:19:59,960 --> 01:19:57,810 that 1889 01:20:01,820 --> 01:19:59,970 it doesn't have the availability of the 1890 01:20:03,500 --> 01:20:01,830 witness for discussion now or the 1891 01:20:06,350 --> 01:20:03,510 corroborating witnesses who were down on 1892 01:20:09,310 --> 01:20:06,360 that particular day night well yeah that 1893 01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:09,320 is that is interesting what about the 1894 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:13,440 1980 Rosedale case were the UFO drained 1895 01:20:18,710 --> 01:20:14,610 a large water tank 1896 01:20:21,230 --> 01:20:18,720 a lot of water tank that's another 1897 01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:21,240 really outstanding caisson and I'm glad 1898 01:20:24,770 --> 01:20:23,250 you brought it up because it's probably 1899 01:20:27,770 --> 01:20:24,780 also one of the best cases that has 1900 01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:27,780 occurred a very strong case it was on 1901 01:20:34,370 --> 01:20:31,290 September 30 1980 again at about 1:00 1902 01:20:35,780 --> 01:20:34,380 a.m. again in a dark remote location you 1903 01:20:40,460 --> 01:20:35,790 know when you opposed like to turn up 1904 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:40,470 and a farmer was asleep in his bed and 1905 01:20:45,740 --> 01:20:43,410 he was awoken by all his animals going 1906 01:20:48,140 --> 01:20:45,750 absolutely ballistic they were the cows 1907 01:20:49,730 --> 01:20:48,150 were the cows were mooing and the horse 1908 01:20:53,420 --> 01:20:49,740 was whinnying and the dogs were barking 1909 01:20:56,330 --> 01:20:53,430 the whole the whole place was was was 1910 01:20:58,610 --> 01:20:56,340 just a cacophony of noise and he looked 1911 01:21:01,340 --> 01:20:58,620 outside he saw this object drifting 1912 01:21:02,930 --> 01:21:01,350 across from the West go over his 1913 01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:02,940 shearing shed and head out into the 1914 01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:04,440 paddock and all the animals are running 1915 01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:07,320 around out scared out of their skulls so 1916 01:21:11,770 --> 01:21:08,850 he hops on his little little farmers 1917 01:21:14,510 --> 01:21:11,780 motorbike and he drives out and he had 1918 01:21:16,970 --> 01:21:14,520 decides to follow the object and the 1919 01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,980 object goes about a good several hundred 1920 01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:18,960 meters away from him and hovers over a 1921 01:21:25,670 --> 01:21:22,890 big concrete water tank and it actually 1922 01:21:28,670 --> 01:21:25,680 hovers above the water tank sets down on 1923 01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:28,680 top of the tank and again a pulse comes 1924 01:21:33,230 --> 01:21:30,300 out from that object and he's knocked 1925 01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:33,240 off his bike the object takes off from 1926 01:21:37,340 --> 01:21:35,490 the tank lands on the ground next next 1927 01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:37,350 to it sits on the ground for a while 1928 01:21:43,100 --> 01:21:39,090 then it takes off and disappears into 1929 01:21:45,890 --> 01:21:43,110 the east so he was very sick and for the 1930 01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:45,900 next five days he had he was very ill he 1931 01:21:50,510 --> 01:21:47,910 could hardly get out of bed and his 1932 01:21:53,150 --> 01:21:50,520 watch stopped at about one o'clock that 1933 01:21:53,900 --> 01:21:53,160 night as well the animals ran around for 1934 01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:53,910 another week 1935 01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,070 the animals were so distressed they they 1936 01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,800 were absolutely terrified and when 1937 01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:00,480 investigators got there and the 1938 01:22:05,060 --> 01:22:03,450 following day the farm owner had come 1939 01:22:07,340 --> 01:22:05,070 because he was he was actually a farm 1940 01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:07,350 manager who had the experience they saw 1941 01:22:11,300 --> 01:22:08,970 that all the water in the tank had been 1942 01:22:12,650 --> 01:22:11,310 drained out gone there was 1943 01:22:14,180 --> 01:22:12,660 of all the water was gone and he knew 1944 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:14,190 the tank was full the previous day 1945 01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:15,810 because he'd checked it all the water 1946 01:22:20,990 --> 01:22:17,970 had gone and all the sediment had been 1947 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:21,000 swirled up into a half a meter swirl in 1948 01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:23,250 the bottom of the in the bottom of the 1949 01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:26,370 water tank so it was a really really 1950 01:22:33,530 --> 01:22:30,210 really strong case that occurred now I 1951 01:22:36,650 --> 01:22:33,540 just want to digress slightly talk about 1952 01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:36,660 another case briefly that it compared in 1953 01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:40,590 sale which sails the Air Force Base town 1954 01:22:46,370 --> 01:22:42,300 that's that's nearby to where this 1955 01:22:48,230 --> 01:22:46,380 occurred a policeman was out at 4:40 in 1956 01:22:50,570 --> 01:22:48,240 the morning one morning doing his rounds 1957 01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,580 and he saw this object traveling through 1958 01:22:54,590 --> 01:22:52,320 the sky and he watched it descend to the 1959 01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:54,600 ground and then take off again so he 1960 01:22:59,180 --> 01:22:58,080 drove to the local Air Force Base and he 1961 01:23:00,860 --> 01:22:59,190 said you guys got anything out there 1962 01:23:02,420 --> 01:23:00,870 what's going on I mean I want to know 1963 01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:02,430 they said no no there's nothing so one 1964 01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:04,380 of the RAF guys opt in the car with him 1965 01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:06,210 I drove back out there they saw this 1966 01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:07,980 object approaching them in the in the 1967 01:23:13,670 --> 01:23:10,320 squad car and the object came and it 1968 01:23:18,020 --> 01:23:13,680 stopped over over the car and it shone 1969 01:23:19,730 --> 01:23:18,030 bright light down over the car and they 1970 01:23:21,140 --> 01:23:19,740 were outside of the squad car and 1971 01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:21,150 they'll just standing there then the 1972 01:23:26,030 --> 01:23:23,490 object took off into the sky but the 1973 01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:26,040 light remained so the object in a way 1974 01:23:29,690 --> 01:23:27,600 but the light remained around the car 1975 01:23:33,260 --> 01:23:29,700 and around the men for some time the 1976 01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:33,270 light had been left over the the 1977 01:23:37,460 --> 01:23:35,310 policeman and and the and the raft 1978 01:23:39,470 --> 01:23:37,470 investigator really interesting little 1979 01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:39,480 short case just as an aside in that same 1980 01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:40,770 areas that's strange 1981 01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:44,850 and that is that called East East sail 1982 01:23:51,260 --> 01:23:48,330 Victoria that's correct it's the east 1983 01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:51,270 Isle RAF base a very very interesting 1984 01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:53,310 base there's I could talk to you for 1985 01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:56,610 half an hour about the ESL RAF base and 1986 01:24:00,140 --> 01:23:58,500 give everybody some really interesting 1987 01:24:02,060 --> 01:24:00,150 stuff about that that's just one case 1988 01:24:04,730 --> 01:24:02,070 that occurred quite close to it even 1989 01:24:07,660 --> 01:24:04,740 even US military who had been at the 1990 01:24:10,190 --> 01:24:07,670 base doing training reported a sighting 1991 01:24:12,980 --> 01:24:10,200 while they were on patrol at the RAF 1992 01:24:17,690 --> 01:24:12,990 base there's a report from around the 1993 01:24:20,660 --> 01:24:17,700 small towns that surround it it's a very 1994 01:24:23,390 --> 01:24:20,670 very interesting area that entire raft 1995 01:24:25,190 --> 01:24:23,400 bicyle base area it's a sleepy little 1996 01:24:26,660 --> 01:24:25,200 base it's now basically a try 1997 01:24:28,820 --> 01:24:26,670 anyways they spent millions of dollars 1998 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:28,830 upgrading it in recent years but it has 1999 01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:30,690 a very strong UFO history in a very 2000 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:32,730 strong UFO connection for such a small 2001 01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:37,530 almost insignificant base it has a lot 2002 01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:39,210 of UFO activity would you consider it a 2003 01:24:44,990 --> 01:24:43,110 UFO hotspot more or less I would i 2004 01:24:46,730 --> 01:24:45,000 absolutely would go so far as to say 2005 01:24:49,700 --> 01:24:46,740 that that over the years there's been a 2006 01:24:52,940 --> 01:24:49,710 strong strong progression of cases that 2007 01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:52,950 have occurred around that area so 2008 01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:55,890 including Rosedale which is literally 2009 01:25:00,710 --> 01:24:57,840 from the South Bay as you'd be there in 2010 01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:00,720 20 minutes so it's not far from the sail 2011 01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:03,540 raft base the policeman was was only 2012 01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:06,000 probably about 10 minutes away from the 2013 01:25:11,300 --> 01:25:08,250 raft base when he had his encounter the 2014 01:25:12,860 --> 01:25:11,310 the SAS guys doing the American SAS guys 2015 01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:12,870 doing their training there were on the 2016 01:25:17,060 --> 01:25:14,820 base when they saw these lights to send 2017 01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:17,070 out of the sky and they described them 2018 01:25:21,290 --> 01:25:19,170 as doing ballet the lights were the 2019 01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:21,300 lights were revolving and spinning and 2020 01:25:24,020 --> 01:25:22,530 interacting with each other and then 2021 01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:24,030 they all lifted buffed back up into the 2022 01:25:30,740 --> 01:25:27,210 sky again that was from US servicemen in 2023 01:25:32,690 --> 01:25:30,750 the area so yes it's a there's another 2024 01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:32,700 report from Stratford which is about 15 2025 01:25:35,780 --> 01:25:34,290 minutes away from the base where a woman 2026 01:25:37,700 --> 01:25:35,790 woke up at 3 o'clock in the morning to 2027 01:25:39,710 --> 01:25:37,710 let her cat out side she looked out the 2028 01:25:42,440 --> 01:25:39,720 window and she saw what she described as 2029 01:25:44,450 --> 01:25:42,450 a carousel of lights hanging silently in 2030 01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:44,460 the sky and she looked out the other 2031 01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:46,530 window and there's another one exactly 2032 01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:50,610 the same so yes I would say that there's 2033 01:25:57,140 --> 01:25:52,530 there's a good case to suggest that 2034 01:26:00,290 --> 01:25:57,150 there is a UFO interest in that part of 2035 01:26:01,910 --> 01:26:00,300 of our state having said that the center 2036 01:26:04,490 --> 01:26:01,920 for the central part of our state which 2037 01:26:07,610 --> 01:26:04,500 is Ballarat Bendigo for those of you on 2038 01:26:09,650 --> 01:26:07,620 Google Maps overly looking it up that's 2039 01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:09,660 another area where there's a strong UFO 2040 01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:11,340 history in the center of our state as 2041 01:26:15,980 --> 01:26:13,380 well really strong cases come out of it 2042 01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:15,990 so yeah anyway I want to keep going on 2043 01:26:20,150 --> 01:26:18,210 it people have more that that is always 2044 01:26:22,190 --> 01:26:20,160 in is always ready to interest me when 2045 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:22,200 there's a certain area you know I'm 2046 01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:26,850 thinking a military base that's that is 2047 01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:29,370 definitely probably a possible 2048 01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:33,450 attraction I often wonder why there is 2049 01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:36,480 an attraction that actually makes a area 2050 01:26:41,290 --> 01:26:38,850 a hotspot and sometimes 2051 01:26:46,190 --> 01:26:41,300 there's say mineral deposits or 2052 01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:46,200 something unusual in an area I don't 2053 01:26:48,980 --> 01:26:47,520 really know if there's any answers just 2054 01:26:50,540 --> 01:26:48,990 like this whole topic if there's any 2055 01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:50,550 answers at all 2056 01:26:56,570 --> 01:26:54,600 go ahead suicide that area where the 2057 01:26:59,180 --> 01:26:56,580 style rep bias actually eases a very 2058 01:27:01,460 --> 01:26:59,190 fertile area it's got a it's got a big 2059 01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:01,470 irrigation scheme there the McAllister 2060 01:27:06,410 --> 01:27:03,510 irrigation scheme and it's a very rich 2061 01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:06,420 dairy area so there's dairy farms all 2062 01:27:10,730 --> 01:27:08,850 over the place it's very very in his big 2063 01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:10,740 lagoons and things like that is not 2064 01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,440 another grave case happened not far away 2065 01:27:17,660 --> 01:27:15,840 a farmer's Lagoon was drained of water 2066 01:27:20,060 --> 01:27:17,670 and there were strange strange markings 2067 01:27:21,950 --> 01:27:20,070 on the ground next to him about six 2068 01:27:23,870 --> 01:27:21,960 months after the Rosedale case occurred 2069 01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:23,880 so there was a there was a you know 2070 01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:26,250 water drain from the lagoon and marks on 2071 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:28,830 the ground you know guy inter algún 2072 01:27:32,180 --> 01:27:30,210 which is the next town along from 2073 01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:32,190 sailing towards Melbourne a guy was 2074 01:27:36,530 --> 01:27:33,930 riding his bike to work in the early 2075 01:27:40,220 --> 01:27:36,540 hours of the morning and this UFO just 2076 01:27:42,140 --> 01:27:40,230 silently appears behind him and but all 2077 01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:42,150 those in is he's riding his bike at four 2078 01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:43,650 o'clock in the morning to work and it 2079 01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:45,330 shines a light on him as he's as he is 2080 01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:47,730 riding his bike so very very curious 2081 01:27:54,230 --> 01:27:52,170 that these guys are out there and they 2082 01:27:57,260 --> 01:27:54,240 take great curiosity and looking at what 2083 01:27:59,810 --> 01:27:57,270 we're doing right right now any cattle 2084 01:28:03,290 --> 01:27:59,820 mutilations you just mentioned a cattle 2085 01:28:05,090 --> 01:28:03,300 rich area it's a cattle rich area but 2086 01:28:07,010 --> 01:28:05,100 not so much mutilations I haven't found 2087 01:28:10,370 --> 01:28:07,020 any history of mutilations here not not 2088 01:28:12,740 --> 01:28:10,380 a single report of mutilations um which 2089 01:28:16,990 --> 01:28:12,750 is which you can say be quite unusual 2090 01:28:19,610 --> 01:28:17,000 but it just doesn't really occur here 2091 01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:19,620 not not I don't have a single case where 2092 01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:22,560 where a cattle has been found mutilated 2093 01:28:28,610 --> 01:28:26,250 we were lots of missing water yeah but 2094 01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:28,620 we don't seem to how I haven't the not 2095 01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:29,760 to say that it hasn't happened but I 2096 01:28:34,580 --> 01:28:32,610 don't have a case of mutilation in in 2097 01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,590 Victoria I'm still digging but if I find 2098 01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:36,960 one I'll be sure sure sure 2099 01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:40,050 excellent so you mentioned earlier about 2100 01:28:46,670 --> 01:28:42,450 this one farmer I think you said it was 2101 01:28:49,340 --> 01:28:46,680 a farmer who actually became ill after 2102 01:28:52,150 --> 01:28:49,350 his encounter did he was at a was that a 2103 01:28:55,250 --> 01:28:52,160 long-term effect or did he get over that 2104 01:28:57,950 --> 01:28:55,260 it was about five days I believe haha I 2105 01:29:01,220 --> 01:28:57,960 wonder what made him sick no he was 2106 01:29:02,090 --> 01:29:01,230 crooked well I reckon it was the bane 2107 01:29:05,060 --> 01:29:02,100 that hit him 2108 01:29:07,070 --> 01:29:05,070 I reckon that when he when he when the 2109 01:29:10,510 --> 01:29:07,080 object pulsed him I had to call it a 2110 01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,520 good pulsing when the object pulsed him 2111 01:29:14,630 --> 01:29:12,719 that was probably when when a deer or 2112 01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:14,640 there might have been something like you 2113 01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,280 should run up to a UFO I don't think 2114 01:29:21,530 --> 01:29:19,440 it's necessarily a great idea and you 2115 01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:21,540 know these things are emitting things 2116 01:29:25,670 --> 01:29:23,010 that we don't know what they're a 2117 01:29:27,860 --> 01:29:25,680 meeting you know so if he had sort of a 2118 01:29:30,020 --> 01:29:27,870 radiation type of an effect where he was 2119 01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:30,030 ill in bed and couldn't get out of bed 2120 01:29:34,340 --> 01:29:32,310 and was really sick then that indicates 2121 01:29:36,860 --> 01:29:34,350 that you know we shouldn't be perhaps 2122 01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:36,870 running up to these things and and you 2123 01:29:40,459 --> 01:29:38,730 know and putting our hand what not that 2124 01:29:42,380 --> 01:29:40,469 he did that but you know they should 2125 01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:42,390 always be approached in caution now you 2126 01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:45,570 mentioned earlier the other pulse that 2127 01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:49,770 the the people felt did they have any 2128 01:29:56,300 --> 01:29:53,370 ill illness from that they did it I did 2129 01:29:59,720 --> 01:29:56,310 yeah yeah Kelly was Kelly became quite 2130 01:30:04,130 --> 01:29:59,730 ill after that and she had issues with 2131 01:30:05,780 --> 01:30:04,140 her with her reproductive parts as a 2132 01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:05,790 result of that and she went to hospital 2133 01:30:10,850 --> 01:30:08,489 for a number of days now any now this is 2134 01:30:15,470 --> 01:30:10,860 kind of strange probably to ask but any 2135 01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:15,480 missing time well Kelly's case is a 2136 01:30:20,209 --> 01:30:18,210 missing teeth case so yeah absolutely 2137 01:30:23,300 --> 01:30:20,219 that that's a that's a missing time case 2138 01:30:25,250 --> 01:30:23,310 it took took them a long time to draw 2139 01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:25,260 out from her she slowly started to 2140 01:30:29,209 --> 01:30:27,450 remember what had actually happened and 2141 01:30:32,030 --> 01:30:29,219 and you know and there's still so many 2142 01:30:33,890 --> 01:30:32,040 questions around you know what happened 2143 01:30:37,670 --> 01:30:33,900 and she's the only one that has any type 2144 01:30:40,130 --> 01:30:37,680 of testimony because you wrote a book at 2145 01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:40,140 the time called encounters by Kelly 2146 01:30:43,700 --> 01:30:42,239 Cahill you can't get it now it's not not 2147 01:30:45,890 --> 01:30:43,710 been published anymore but you can find 2148 01:30:47,209 --> 01:30:45,900 it on eBay and different Amazon perhaps 2149 01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:47,219 if you get a secondhand copy they're 2150 01:30:51,890 --> 01:30:49,920 quite expensive but you can find copies 2151 01:30:53,180 --> 01:30:51,900 of it you know sort of the people have 2152 01:30:55,850 --> 01:30:53,190 got out there I've got about two copies 2153 01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:55,860 myself but yeah she that's that's a 2154 01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:58,080 missing time case it's probably the the 2155 01:31:04,190 --> 01:31:00,480 most famous missing time case that I can 2156 01:31:05,450 --> 01:31:04,200 think of off the top of my head most of 2157 01:31:07,730 --> 01:31:05,460 the other cases that I've 2158 01:31:10,130 --> 01:31:07,740 in recent times of being people being 2159 01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:10,140 terrified in the night okay 2160 01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:13,970 so funny the little segue back to Dargo 2161 01:31:20,420 --> 01:31:17,610 when we were up there just briefly the 2162 01:31:21,650 --> 01:31:20,430 lady who who we met up there not that 2163 01:31:22,940 --> 01:31:21,660 not the witness but the one who 2164 01:31:24,980 --> 01:31:22,950 introduced us to the witness the 2165 01:31:27,650 --> 01:31:24,990 facilitator of that she said to me ah 2166 01:31:29,540 --> 01:31:27,660 yeah oh we had a couple of strange 2167 01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:29,550 things happen here too I said yo Clare 2168 01:31:32,810 --> 01:31:31,170 tell me why I mean she saw my husband 2169 01:31:36,110 --> 01:31:32,820 and my son were driving along one night 2170 01:31:38,540 --> 01:31:36,120 halfway between Dargo and banza and this 2171 01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:38,550 bright light hovered over their car they 2172 01:31:42,050 --> 01:31:40,080 couldn't drive it that they couldn't 2173 01:31:44,210 --> 01:31:42,060 they couldn't steer it the car just the 2174 01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:44,220 car just stopped being able to steer the 2175 01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:46,290 light took them down the road and then 2176 01:31:50,450 --> 01:31:48,810 it basically released the car and it 2177 01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:50,460 took off again I thought well that's a 2178 01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:52,890 relatively significant event and then 2179 01:31:57,530 --> 01:31:55,290 she said to me oh and one night when I 2180 01:31:59,120 --> 01:31:57,540 was doing bad when we were living out on 2181 01:32:00,080 --> 01:31:59,130 another property I woke up in the middle 2182 01:32:02,210 --> 01:32:00,090 of the night and they're all these 2183 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:02,220 lights swirling around outside I could 2184 01:32:06,230 --> 01:32:04,890 hear this whooshing sound and I could 2185 01:32:07,700 --> 01:32:06,240 hear this they mumble 2186 01:32:09,710 --> 01:32:07,710 she said they mumble I could hear this 2187 01:32:11,630 --> 01:32:09,720 mumbling and she said I was terrified I 2188 01:32:16,730 --> 01:32:11,640 pulled the blankets over my head and I 2189 01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:16,740 didn't get out of bed sorry stuff just 2190 01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,250 comes to you you know with the low 2191 01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:23,040 population there there's a lot there's a 2192 01:32:30,500 --> 01:32:26,010 lot more sightings than I thought what 2193 01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:30,510 is your organization per year or do you 2194 01:32:34,610 --> 01:32:32,580 think a lot of the cases to go to MUFON 2195 01:32:38,420 --> 01:32:34,620 or do you do you think you get a good 2196 01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:38,430 part of them oh look yeah that's an 2197 01:32:41,090 --> 01:32:39,210 interesting question 2198 01:32:43,610 --> 01:32:41,100 not much goes to MUFON there any report 2199 01:32:45,530 --> 01:32:43,620 about you know three to three to six 2200 01:32:48,260 --> 01:32:45,540 cases a month out of Australia so that 2201 01:32:50,570 --> 01:32:48,270 they don't get much from here because 2202 01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:50,580 they're not really set up here in a way 2203 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:54,210 to fully capture that and the other 2204 01:32:58,640 --> 01:32:56,010 thing too is to capture reports 2205 01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:58,650 nationally is quite difficult you know 2206 01:33:03,940 --> 01:33:01,440 each state has a really good UFO group 2207 01:33:06,170 --> 01:33:03,950 in each state New South Wales Queensland 2208 01:33:08,660 --> 01:33:06,180 Tasmania South Australia they've all got 2209 01:33:11,930 --> 01:33:08,670 their individual UFO groups but but the 2210 01:33:13,700 --> 01:33:11,940 overall model of an overriding body is 2211 01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:13,710 not really worked we no one's had the 2212 01:33:19,010 --> 01:33:16,290 resources to make it work that's the 2213 01:33:21,770 --> 01:33:19,020 first thing so yeah we do capture 2214 01:33:23,540 --> 01:33:21,780 a number of reports you know it varies 2215 01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:23,550 we can go months without even getting a 2216 01:33:27,740 --> 01:33:25,860 report then you'll get you know a couple 2217 01:33:29,780 --> 01:33:27,750 come in in a rush you'll get five or six 2218 01:33:30,350 --> 01:33:29,790 reports come in you know in quick 2219 01:33:32,270 --> 01:33:30,360 succession 2220 01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:32,280 none of them related but you'll get you 2221 01:33:36,970 --> 01:33:34,050 know you'll get five or six reports come 2222 01:33:39,860 --> 01:33:36,980 in you know we've got over over 200 2223 01:33:41,390 --> 01:33:39,870 cases in our database which has been 2224 01:33:42,740 --> 01:33:41,400 going for five years so you could 2225 01:33:43,790 --> 01:33:42,750 probably do the mats and extrapolate 2226 01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:43,800 that out for an average or something 2227 01:33:47,450 --> 01:33:45,600 like that but it hasn't happened that 2228 01:33:49,580 --> 01:33:47,460 way like they like they tend to come in 2229 01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:49,590 fits and starts you know so you know 2230 01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:52,290 winter can be quieter than summer you 2231 01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:53,970 know because everyone's inside of night 2232 01:33:58,760 --> 01:33:55,710 no one's outside at summer time you get 2233 01:33:59,990 --> 01:33:58,770 more reports in the summer time so you 2234 01:34:02,450 --> 01:34:00,000 know but that's not to say that you're 2235 01:34:04,130 --> 01:34:02,460 not going to get something great in June 2236 01:34:05,900 --> 01:34:04,140 because obviously Kelly Cahill occurred 2237 01:34:07,580 --> 01:34:05,910 in August which is winter over here for 2238 01:34:10,970 --> 01:34:07,590 you guys your summer over their winter 2239 01:34:12,290 --> 01:34:10,980 over here so yeah it's it's you know and 2240 01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:12,300 the other the other states around 2241 01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:13,650 Australia they get they get their 2242 01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:15,600 reports as well and you know there's 2243 01:34:18,860 --> 01:34:17,250 been fits and starts on you know 2244 01:34:21,020 --> 01:34:18,870 national reporting and that type of 2245 01:34:22,670 --> 01:34:21,030 thing but no one's been able to make it 2246 01:34:26,420 --> 01:34:22,680 work at this point I don't cooperate 2247 01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:26,430 with other organizations one thing in 2248 01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:28,080 Australia is we have great cooperation 2249 01:34:32,510 --> 01:34:30,840 that is absolutely true hasn't always 2250 01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:32,520 been that way there's been the you know 2251 01:34:37,730 --> 01:34:34,560 the the politics of ufology in the past 2252 01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:37,740 but currently in the 21st century from 2253 01:34:42,260 --> 01:34:39,570 Victoria New South Wales Queensland we 2254 01:34:43,820 --> 01:34:42,270 all get on very very well we will help 2255 01:34:45,950 --> 01:34:43,830 each other out we've done events 2256 01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:45,960 together we've bought speakers from 2257 01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:47,760 America out here together we had Richard 2258 01:34:52,940 --> 01:34:50,850 Dolan here last year he came in I hosted 2259 01:34:55,660 --> 01:34:52,950 him in wave you follow Victoria for 2260 01:34:58,040 --> 01:34:55,670 action we hosted him in Melbourne he 2261 01:34:59,120 --> 01:34:58,050 here he went to New South Wales he went 2262 01:35:00,950 --> 01:34:59,130 to Queensland he went to Western 2263 01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:00,960 Australia so we all work together with 2264 01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:02,490 bringing out some international speakers 2265 01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:03,840 because it's hard for Australia because 2266 01:35:08,060 --> 01:35:06,090 we're so far away and it's quite 2267 01:35:09,890 --> 01:35:08,070 expensive but when we pull our resources 2268 01:35:12,170 --> 01:35:09,900 between the states we were able to get 2269 01:35:14,060 --> 01:35:12,180 to get some people to come out so yes 2270 01:35:16,820 --> 01:35:14,070 it's been it's a good healthy working 2271 01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:16,830 relationship great great so what are 2272 01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:20,010 some of the shapes that people have been 2273 01:35:26,450 --> 01:35:25,050 reporting for anonymous craft a how 2274 01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:26,460 about triangle so there are a lot of 2275 01:35:32,090 --> 01:35:29,970 triangle sightings I've got a Ripa for 2276 01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:32,100 I've got a really good one for you and 2277 01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:33,040 we didn't even 2278 01:35:38,850 --> 01:35:35,770 before we came on yo you know hey that 2279 01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:38,860 this that's really good got a really 2280 01:35:42,420 --> 01:35:40,960 great case yes oh yes to answer the 2281 01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:42,430 question yes there is those sort of 2282 01:35:47,730 --> 01:35:44,320 cases that occur now I've got a really 2283 01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:47,740 really good one that occurred no it's 2284 01:35:53,790 --> 01:35:49,600 relatively recent I suppose it occurred 2285 01:35:57,090 --> 01:35:53,800 in April 2016 in the early hours of the 2286 01:35:58,500 --> 01:35:57,100 morning at about five o'clock in the 2287 01:36:00,450 --> 01:35:58,510 morning and where did occur - that 2288 01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:00,460 occurred in rosebud which is Melbourne's 2289 01:36:04,890 --> 01:36:02,890 got a really big bay there a big bay 2290 01:36:06,690 --> 01:36:04,900 natural Bay of water and as you travel 2291 01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:06,700 out of Melbourne there's there's little 2292 01:36:09,540 --> 01:36:08,410 suburbs that go all the way around and 2293 01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:09,550 once you get to the bottom of the bay 2294 01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:11,770 there's an area called rosebud which is 2295 01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:14,110 right down on the Bass Strait area so 2296 01:36:17,700 --> 01:36:15,760 it's right near that Rodney and a 2297 01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:17,710 straight where Fred Valenta disappeared 2298 01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:20,560 so this guy was an aeronautical engineer 2299 01:36:26,370 --> 01:36:23,770 by by profession and he was absolutely 2300 01:36:28,170 --> 01:36:26,380 no dummy at all in terms of you know 2301 01:36:32,220 --> 01:36:28,180 what he was able to report to us about 2302 01:36:34,500 --> 01:36:32,230 what he saw and so what he saw was he 2303 01:36:36,210 --> 01:36:34,510 got up at five o'clock in the morning 2304 01:36:39,480 --> 01:36:36,220 which was his usual time for getting up 2305 01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:39,490 and he was going over to make coffee at 2306 01:36:43,380 --> 01:36:41,650 the sink and his window his kitchen 2307 01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:43,390 window looked looked outside and he saw 2308 01:36:46,770 --> 01:36:44,800 an object hovering through the window 2309 01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:46,780 and he went outside and stood on the 2310 01:36:53,070 --> 01:36:49,330 back lawn and he saw this triangular 2311 01:36:57,480 --> 01:36:53,080 shaped object hovering in the sky that 2312 01:36:59,520 --> 01:36:57,490 he described as being about maybe 500 2313 01:37:00,990 --> 01:36:59,530 metres away from where he was five 2314 01:37:02,970 --> 01:37:01,000 hundred meters to a kilometer is his 2315 01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:02,980 estimation is how far away it was and 2316 01:37:07,230 --> 01:37:05,110 there was three points of light on each 2317 01:37:08,820 --> 01:37:07,240 on each point of the triangle so there 2318 01:37:12,090 --> 01:37:08,830 was like obviously you know a light 2319 01:37:16,670 --> 01:37:12,100 source on each of those points and when 2320 01:37:18,900 --> 01:37:16,680 he came out he saw the lights went out 2321 01:37:21,690 --> 01:37:18,910 their life as he as you can walk out the 2322 01:37:23,970 --> 01:37:21,700 back back back door the lights on the on 2323 01:37:25,770 --> 01:37:23,980 the object turned off and as his eyes 2324 01:37:27,870 --> 01:37:25,780 accustom he saw that it was that it was 2325 01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:27,880 triangular shapes he went inside and he 2326 01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:30,970 grabbed a really strong LED spotlight 2327 01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:33,280 that he had and he shone that light on 2328 01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:36,370 tiny objects but checked the object 2329 01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,110 wouldn't reflect it wouldn't reflect it 2330 01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:40,000 all it was absorbing the light as he as 2331 01:37:42,300 --> 01:37:41,800 he shone his big bright beam from his 2332 01:37:44,370 --> 01:37:42,310 backyard 2333 01:37:46,020 --> 01:37:44,380 it was absorbing the light a weird light 2334 01:37:46,650 --> 01:37:46,030 he described it he said he could see the 2335 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:46,660 clouds 2336 01:37:52,650 --> 01:37:48,850 behind the object but his light was 2337 01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:52,660 being absorbed by the object now this is 2338 01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:56,320 where it gets a bit spooky the objects 2339 01:38:02,580 --> 01:37:59,440 shown a light on him and it lit up the 2340 01:38:04,710 --> 01:38:02,590 entire area with a white light brilliant 2341 01:38:09,090 --> 01:38:04,720 all the trees or the powerlines 2342 01:38:11,370 --> 01:38:09,100 bird started chirping the light and the 2343 01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:11,380 illumination lasted for about 30 to 45 2344 01:38:16,410 --> 01:38:14,530 seconds the lights dimmed back to their 2345 01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:16,420 original brightness and then the object 2346 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:18,370 disappeared incredibly fast to the 2347 01:38:25,620 --> 01:38:22,570 southwest over the ocean Wow so that's a 2348 01:38:26,850 --> 01:38:25,630 good example of a triangular craft and I 2349 01:38:27,570 --> 01:38:26,860 ran this witness and I spoke to him 2350 01:38:30,660 --> 01:38:27,580 directly east 2351 01:38:33,540 --> 01:38:30,670 he's absolutely full-on with with with 2352 01:38:36,150 --> 01:38:33,550 his recollection and he gave me all the 2353 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:36,160 coordinates and GPS positions and 2354 01:38:41,970 --> 01:38:38,410 everything like that so it was very very 2355 01:38:44,850 --> 01:38:41,980 good that that reaction I've heard a 2356 01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:44,860 number of times where someone flashes of 2357 01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:47,110 light and it flashes back or there's 2358 01:38:52,250 --> 01:38:48,850 some type of interaction going on there 2359 01:38:55,260 --> 01:38:52,260 which is pretty amazing really yep 2360 01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:55,270 absolutely absolutely it really is it's 2361 01:38:59,700 --> 01:38:57,730 an incredible one and another brief 2362 01:39:02,480 --> 01:38:59,710 recent one that we had - which is I 2363 01:39:05,250 --> 01:39:02,490 might want to touch on briefly was up in 2364 01:39:08,430 --> 01:39:05,260 the desert country perhaps heading up 2365 01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:08,440 towards where that farm had the combine 2366 01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:10,810 harvesters in the and the circles on the 2367 01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:12,730 ground up sort of bit south of that area 2368 01:39:16,710 --> 01:39:15,250 but still in that sort of zone during 2369 01:39:18,210 --> 01:39:16,720 the middle of the day recently a lady 2370 01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:18,220 was driving there with her daughter on a 2371 01:39:22,290 --> 01:39:20,770 highway this big truck comes up behind 2372 01:39:24,810 --> 01:39:22,300 them it's basically a road rage incident 2373 01:39:26,910 --> 01:39:24,820 and she starts filming it with her 2374 01:39:29,370 --> 01:39:26,920 iPhone and the truck overtakes them 2375 01:39:31,710 --> 01:39:29,380 quite dangerously they're scared in the 2376 01:39:35,310 --> 01:39:31,720 car and she films a going past she 2377 01:39:37,970 --> 01:39:35,320 swears at the truck and interestingly in 2378 01:39:40,740 --> 01:39:37,980 the film she captures a little sphere 2379 01:39:42,570 --> 01:39:40,750 that I would describe about the size of 2380 01:39:45,540 --> 01:39:42,580 a maybe of softball or maybe a 2381 01:39:46,980 --> 01:39:45,550 basketball biggest and it comes in from 2382 01:39:49,110 --> 01:39:46,990 the left of the screen and it zigzags 2383 01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,120 across the truck top of the truck and 2384 01:39:55,170 --> 01:39:51,520 then it exits right of screen this is 2385 01:39:56,730 --> 01:39:55,180 silver is sort of a sphere and they 2386 01:39:57,930 --> 01:39:56,740 didn't see it at the time which is an 2387 01:39:59,280 --> 01:39:57,940 interesting thing and I think that you 2388 01:40:00,439 --> 01:39:59,290 know obviously cameras perhaps do have 2389 01:40:03,020 --> 01:40:00,449 the potential to capture 2390 01:40:05,689 --> 01:40:03,030 and she sent me the 14 she sent me 2391 01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:05,699 photos the car the location did alerts 2392 01:40:11,450 --> 01:40:08,570 I've got a good little report on it and 2393 01:40:13,610 --> 01:40:11,460 just recently another guy sent me 2394 01:40:15,260 --> 01:40:13,620 another picture from an air show which 2395 01:40:16,970 --> 01:40:15,270 was on this year down of labogen maybe 2396 01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:16,980 big air show and they have military jets 2397 01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:19,850 there and all that paraphernalia and 2398 01:40:27,380 --> 01:40:24,320 this guy sends me a photo of an f-18 2399 01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:27,390 plane in the air and behind it is an 2400 01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:29,280 object exactly the same as what the 2401 01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:34,080 woman had had in her video over when the 2402 01:40:37,370 --> 01:40:35,520 truck went past it's exactly it's 2403 01:40:40,459 --> 01:40:37,380 exactly the same and I thought to myself 2404 01:40:42,650 --> 01:40:40,469 gee that's strange she captures it on 2405 01:40:45,650 --> 01:40:42,660 her iPhone this guy's taken a photo and 2406 01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:45,660 here's this little round object in both 2407 01:40:51,860 --> 01:40:47,610 separate things that look exactly the 2408 01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:51,870 same and it's highly unlikely that a jet 2409 01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:54,719 fighter is going to drop bits off it you 2410 01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:56,400 know I've spoken to friends in the RAF 2411 01:41:01,430 --> 01:40:58,320 and and they've said look you know those 2412 01:41:03,740 --> 01:41:01,440 planes don't drop it yeah look yeah they 2413 01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:03,750 don't bits don't fall off strike 2414 01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:05,040 aircraft right right 2415 01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:07,650 do you think it's possible that this 2416 01:41:15,410 --> 01:41:10,890 could be some type of video or camera 2417 01:41:20,300 --> 01:41:15,420 anomaly well that's interesting I mean 2418 01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:20,310 it's I would say not I would say not you 2419 01:41:25,820 --> 01:41:22,410 can always look at a smudge on a photo 2420 01:41:28,100 --> 01:41:25,830 and go it's a bird it's bug you know 2421 01:41:29,689 --> 01:41:28,110 it's you know I say that but I mean 2422 01:41:32,540 --> 01:41:29,699 obviously the photos probably need 2423 01:41:33,890 --> 01:41:32,550 further analysis by people who can know 2424 01:41:35,750 --> 01:41:33,900 who have quite good at that sort of 2425 01:41:38,030 --> 01:41:35,760 thing and I'd be happy to share that 2426 01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:38,040 with people who can do it but basically 2427 01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:39,810 when you look at this footage of this 2428 01:41:43,610 --> 01:41:41,760 object that comes across the truck it's 2429 01:41:45,979 --> 01:41:43,620 just what's basically like a cannon ball 2430 01:41:49,010 --> 01:41:45,989 sort of an object just appears and it 2431 01:41:50,300 --> 01:41:49,020 appears left does a zigzag goes over the 2432 01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,310 top of the truck and then it's IG's 2433 01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:52,800 office a screen it's totally under its 2434 01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:55,199 own control it wasn't debris sucked up 2435 01:42:01,910 --> 01:41:59,040 by the truck it's not a balloon it 2436 01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:01,920 doesn't appear to be some type of a you 2437 01:42:09,410 --> 01:42:04,530 know emulsion issue with the camera that 2438 01:42:11,630 --> 01:42:09,420 doesn't have emulsion so it's it's clear 2439 01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:11,640 very interested in seeing that to pass 2440 01:42:16,910 --> 01:42:14,250 it along to mark D'Antoni 2441 01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:16,920 to get his opinion of an analysis of 2442 01:42:22,670 --> 01:42:18,930 that if you'd like and we can talk about 2443 01:42:25,550 --> 01:42:22,680 that all yeah we can arrange the arm so 2444 01:42:29,480 --> 01:42:25,560 another question that and you had 2445 01:42:32,180 --> 01:42:29,490 mentioned an illumination case was that 2446 01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:32,190 the 1972 constable Jarvis or is that a 2447 01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:37,370 that's the constable javis yes nonsense 2448 01:42:42,140 --> 01:42:40,290 when you mentioned before that's the one 2449 01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:42,150 I mentioned before yeah the light that 2450 01:42:46,430 --> 01:42:44,520 remained over the car once the object 2451 01:42:47,630 --> 01:42:46,440 disappear right okay I just want to make 2452 01:42:51,730 --> 01:42:47,640 sure that was the same one because that 2453 01:42:54,710 --> 01:42:51,740 was a question in here and uh here is a 2454 01:42:56,630 --> 01:42:54,720 another question I wanted to it's kind 2455 01:43:00,350 --> 01:42:56,640 of a long one are you familiar with the 2456 01:43:02,930 --> 01:43:00,360 claims of research physicist and stand 2457 01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:02,940 day Oh author of the book the cosmic 2458 01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:07,410 conspiracy no he's someone that migrated 2459 01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:11,210 to the u.s. from Australia I guess to do 2460 01:43:18,020 --> 01:43:14,490 research ok no problem so I would like 2461 01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,030 to hear another case that's kind of an 2462 01:43:23,890 --> 01:43:20,400 unheard of interesting these are really 2463 01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:23,900 fascinating so I'm really enjoying them 2464 01:43:30,890 --> 01:43:29,010 yeah how can i zoom I really out but 2465 01:43:32,180 --> 01:43:30,900 I've just got them you know and as I 2466 01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:32,190 said I'm going through putting this book 2467 01:43:36,740 --> 01:43:34,890 together you know cataloging all these 2468 01:43:38,630 --> 01:43:36,750 little little cases that are bit of 2469 01:43:41,090 --> 01:43:38,640 occurred over over the years and there's 2470 01:43:44,150 --> 01:43:41,100 some absolutely fascinating ones that 2471 01:43:46,580 --> 01:43:44,160 that are out there so yeah look I've got 2472 01:43:48,410 --> 01:43:46,590 ok what else can I hit yeah I'd like to 2473 01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:48,420 I'd like to hear one of the unusual 2474 01:43:55,700 --> 01:43:51,690 smaller cases that that don't get a lot 2475 01:43:57,670 --> 01:43:55,710 of you know a lot of airtime if you have 2476 01:44:03,560 --> 01:43:57,680 anything else you can tell us 2477 01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:03,570 I certainly do a similar day so I love I 2478 01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:07,290 love police academy too they're 2479 01:44:12,850 --> 01:44:10,650 practically my favorite and farmers and 2480 01:44:15,230 --> 01:44:12,860 police are my two favorites hands down 2481 01:44:18,110 --> 01:44:15,240 because neither of them we've got time 2482 01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:18,120 for time for BS and basically it's a 2483 01:44:21,980 --> 01:44:19,920 particularly policeman and they usually 2484 01:44:24,590 --> 01:44:21,990 relatively unimaginative police police 2485 01:44:27,770 --> 01:44:24,600 officers they they're pretty much direct 2486 01:44:31,010 --> 01:44:27,780 in the way that they the way that they 2487 01:44:33,770 --> 01:44:31,020 speak and and you know they're they're 2488 01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:33,780 not they're not pry into nonsense which 2489 01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:35,130 which I think makes them very very 2490 01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:39,840 credible so this case is an absolute it 2491 01:44:44,270 --> 01:44:42,570 should be all over the History Channel 2492 01:44:46,460 --> 01:44:44,280 it really should not don't understand 2493 01:44:47,780 --> 01:44:46,470 why no one's picked up on this on the 2494 01:44:49,580 --> 01:44:47,790 case like this because it would make 2495 01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:49,590 great television for the for the History 2496 01:44:56,210 --> 01:44:52,410 Channel or National Geographic or 2497 01:44:58,130 --> 01:44:56,220 Discovery this case occurred in 1993 in 2498 01:45:00,350 --> 01:44:58,140 in Melbourne so this is this is a 2499 01:45:03,050 --> 01:45:00,360 metropolitan case rather than Beninese 2500 01:45:08,660 --> 01:45:03,060 dark country road stuff this is a city 2501 01:45:10,250 --> 01:45:08,670 based case and what happened was in west 2502 01:45:12,170 --> 01:45:10,260 of Melbourne it no one will be familiar 2503 01:45:13,790 --> 01:45:12,180 with the Melbourne suburbs but isn't it 2504 01:45:16,820 --> 01:45:13,800 there's a little satellite town called 2505 01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:16,830 Melton and at the time in 1983 it was 2506 01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:18,480 pretty much a country town but now it's 2507 01:45:22,130 --> 01:45:20,250 built up out there there's housing 2508 01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:22,140 estates everywhere and it's not what it 2509 01:45:27,380 --> 01:45:25,410 was in 1983 but one particular night 2510 01:45:30,260 --> 01:45:27,390 there was two constables or two police 2511 01:45:32,990 --> 01:45:30,270 officers out in their Divi Wagon as we 2512 01:45:34,940 --> 01:45:33,000 would call it or their squad car driving 2513 01:45:37,250 --> 01:45:34,950 around and they're out on the outskirts 2514 01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:37,260 of Melton going down to some areas to 2515 01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:39,510 check where people go down and get up to 2516 01:45:42,890 --> 01:45:41,520 mischief and they turn around they come 2517 01:45:45,290 --> 01:45:42,900 back and they're driving back into 2518 01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:45,300 Melton and look up and above the 2519 01:45:49,940 --> 01:45:47,610 shopping centre they can see a bright 2520 01:45:52,820 --> 01:45:49,950 light hovering above the shopping centre 2521 01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:52,830 they look at each other and they go that 2522 01:45:56,810 --> 01:45:55,530 shouldn't be there and they drive these 2523 01:45:58,160 --> 01:45:56,820 roads all the time so they're very 2524 01:46:00,680 --> 01:45:58,170 familiar with what should and shouldn't 2525 01:46:02,150 --> 01:46:00,690 be out there so they drive back in - 2526 01:46:04,190 --> 01:46:02,160 back into melt and then they drive 2527 01:46:06,710 --> 01:46:04,200 straight to the straight to the shopping 2528 01:46:08,540 --> 01:46:06,720 centre they hop out of their car and I 2529 01:46:12,620 --> 01:46:08,550 look up and here's this object hovering 2530 01:46:15,470 --> 01:46:12,630 very low above the above the shopping 2531 01:46:18,170 --> 01:46:15,480 centre only 30 40 feet above it really 2532 01:46:20,660 --> 01:46:18,180 low and all I can see is this gantry 2533 01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:20,670 they shine their little squad cars at a 2534 01:46:25,070 --> 01:46:22,530 little spotlight in it and they shine 2535 01:46:27,500 --> 01:46:25,080 this spotlight up at this object it's 2536 01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:27,510 hovering just above the just above the 2537 01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:28,890 shopping centre and they can see this 2538 01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:32,010 gantry like a if you think of a windmill 2539 01:46:35,870 --> 01:46:34,050 like an old-fashioned windmill with its 2540 01:46:38,060 --> 01:46:35,880 with its cross struts and that sort of 2541 01:46:41,300 --> 01:46:38,070 thing they can see this in the spotlight 2542 01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:41,310 and it's making a kind of a low humming 2543 01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:44,130 noise and they looking at it in slide 2544 01:46:49,460 --> 01:46:46,650 and they can't see much else because 2545 01:46:50,780 --> 01:46:49,470 it's that's all they could report and 2546 01:46:53,150 --> 01:46:50,790 they're standing there and they 2547 01:46:54,860 --> 01:46:53,160 contemplated putting a zinger in it as 2548 01:46:56,930 --> 01:46:54,870 he called taking out their guns and 2549 01:46:58,940 --> 01:46:56,940 shooting at it but then they thought now 2550 01:47:01,070 --> 01:46:58,950 it's probably not a good idea to shoot 2551 01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:01,080 it above the shopping center so the 2552 01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:03,210 object took off and they started 2553 01:47:06,970 --> 01:47:05,250 following it and then following it 2554 01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:06,980 around out and the ad in the country 2555 01:47:12,500 --> 01:47:09,690 another object appears and this object 2556 01:47:15,010 --> 01:47:12,510 is a shaped like a mattress and it's got 2557 01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:15,020 a light underneath it and another light 2558 01:47:19,940 --> 01:47:17,970 and it's floating around out there as 2559 01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:19,950 well and these policemen are out driving 2560 01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:21,690 around and these objects are floating 2561 01:47:25,310 --> 01:47:23,250 around and they and the objects are very 2562 01:47:28,370 --> 01:47:25,320 low and as they're going along they see 2563 01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:28,380 them rise and fall rise and fall and 2564 01:47:31,490 --> 01:47:29,730 when we spoke to the policeman he said 2565 01:47:33,620 --> 01:47:31,500 it was probably that low that it was 2566 01:47:35,570 --> 01:47:33,630 jumping over fences so as it's going 2567 01:47:37,670 --> 01:47:35,580 along it's rising over a fence going 2568 01:47:38,750 --> 01:47:37,680 flat rising over another fence and going 2569 01:47:40,730 --> 01:47:38,760 they chase these things all over the 2570 01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:40,740 place they go back to the police station 2571 01:47:44,990 --> 01:47:43,410 after a while and they break and they 2572 01:47:46,220 --> 01:47:45,000 say they say look there's this weird 2573 01:47:49,550 --> 01:47:46,230 stuff going on out there 2574 01:47:52,130 --> 01:47:49,560 this is the basic version and so the 2575 01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:52,140 inspector the sergeant and all the other 2576 01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:53,970 police officers go outside and 2577 01:47:58,100 --> 01:47:56,010 approaching the police station is this 2578 01:48:00,920 --> 01:47:58,110 mattress type object floating silently 2579 01:48:02,270 --> 01:48:00,930 in the air and it passes over the over 2580 01:48:05,020 --> 01:48:02,280 the police station witnessed by the 2581 01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:05,030 inspector by the sergeant by everybody 2582 01:48:10,820 --> 01:48:07,890 they follow this object down to a 2583 01:48:12,410 --> 01:48:10,830 military antenna array there was a at 2584 01:48:15,650 --> 01:48:12,420 the time it's not there now there was an 2585 01:48:17,150 --> 01:48:15,660 intelligence gathering listening station 2586 01:48:19,130 --> 01:48:17,160 just down there just down the road from 2587 01:48:21,380 --> 01:48:19,140 where Melton is and this object the 2588 01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:21,390 floating mattress one goes right down to 2589 01:48:25,490 --> 01:48:22,560 where they put two where the 2590 01:48:27,950 --> 01:48:25,500 intelligence antenna array is and it 2591 01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:27,960 basically is so low it's going to it's 2592 01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:29,520 going to hit the antennas as its 2593 01:48:32,630 --> 01:48:30,810 approaching the antennas it does a 2594 01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:32,640 slight maneuver and it maneuvers around 2595 01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:35,040 the antennas and takes off again there 2596 01:48:38,690 --> 01:48:37,050 is officers were from Melton and an 2597 01:48:41,060 --> 01:48:38,700 additional police officers from the from 2598 01:48:44,300 --> 01:48:41,070 the suburb of sunshine chased these 2599 01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:44,310 objects around for over five hours all 2600 01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:47,010 night long they chase them and if out in 2601 01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:48,480 the country roads not knowing what they 2602 01:48:55,090 --> 01:48:52,800 were so it's and we we found that 2603 01:48:57,340 --> 01:48:55,100 constable and we contact the 2604 01:48:58,960 --> 01:48:57,350 the constables we found him and we 2605 01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:58,970 contacted him you still in Victoria 2606 01:49:03,810 --> 01:49:01,280 Police today and he's now a senior 2607 01:49:06,450 --> 01:49:03,820 senior inspector with a high ranking 2608 01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:06,460 responsibilities in Victoria Police and 2609 01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:11,600 he met us out of a suburban hotel and we 2610 01:49:16,420 --> 01:49:13,520 chatted to him for about 90 minutes and 2611 01:49:20,110 --> 01:49:16,430 we had a great conversation with it and 2612 01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:20,120 we these pragmatic policemen attitudes 2613 01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:25,040 he was like we don't know what we saw we 2614 01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:28,730 wanted to be explainable but we can't 2615 01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:33,440 explain it so he had a real problem with 2616 01:49:39,730 --> 01:49:36,050 the fact that what they had seen they 2617 01:49:43,060 --> 01:49:39,740 could not put into any kind of context 2618 01:49:45,220 --> 01:49:43,070 as to what these silent objects were 2619 01:49:47,140 --> 01:49:45,230 that were floating around in the middle 2620 01:49:52,810 --> 01:49:47,150 of the night on the outskirts of 2621 01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:52,820 Melbourne in 1983 right so it's a great 2622 01:49:56,890 --> 01:49:54,890 case it really is used to imagine it 2623 01:50:00,160 --> 01:49:56,900 guys police officers in their squad cars 2624 01:50:02,470 --> 01:50:00,170 driving around chasing mysterious 2625 01:50:05,170 --> 01:50:02,480 floating objects in the sky I know 2626 01:50:06,940 --> 01:50:05,180 there's cases in America right yes 2627 01:50:09,250 --> 01:50:06,950 yeah there's cases where there's been 2628 01:50:12,250 --> 01:50:09,260 you know town after town of police 2629 01:50:13,420 --> 01:50:12,260 officers chasing you know one object 2630 01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:13,430 through different counties and things 2631 01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:16,130 like that that you hear about I do love 2632 01:50:22,890 --> 01:50:19,760 those cases myself how did it what was 2633 01:50:27,580 --> 01:50:22,900 the ending of that whole witness 2634 01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:27,590 witnessing did it just take off yeah I 2635 01:50:31,540 --> 01:50:29,840 just I just disappeared okay if the I 2636 01:50:34,450 --> 01:50:31,550 was the dot as the dawn was arising 2637 01:50:37,480 --> 01:50:34,460 these objects just disappeared so they 2638 01:50:39,790 --> 01:50:37,490 just disappear and it actually believe 2639 01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:39,800 it or not the case actually made it into 2640 01:50:44,770 --> 01:50:41,930 the media and if you go onto our website 2641 01:50:48,190 --> 01:50:44,780 we have the actual video of the channel 2642 01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:48,200 7 news report the following day and the 2643 01:50:51,670 --> 01:50:49,210 channel 7 2644 01:50:53,470 --> 01:50:51,680 I'm not how they got ahold of it but 2645 01:50:57,490 --> 01:50:53,480 they got wind of it they went out to 2646 01:50:58,840 --> 01:50:57,500 Melton and it's just dimly enough the 2647 01:51:00,850 --> 01:50:58,850 policemen were happy to speak to them 2648 01:51:02,290 --> 01:51:00,860 about it the inspectors on their head of 2649 01:51:04,630 --> 01:51:02,300 sergeants on there they talked to the 2650 01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:04,640 two constables they go to the shopping 2651 01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:06,320 center they film the shopping center 2652 01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:08,489 they say the talam marina 2653 01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,320 or nothing at the time on their radar 2654 01:51:14,570 --> 01:51:12,480 and they fly channel seven fly their 2655 01:51:17,420 --> 01:51:14,580 helicopter up in the same area and and 2656 01:51:19,340 --> 01:51:17,430 and tala Marine report that yes they can 2657 01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:19,350 see them quite clearly they can see the 2658 01:51:22,459 --> 01:51:21,210 the Channel seven helicopter no problem 2659 01:51:24,530 --> 01:51:22,469 which is in the same areas where these 2660 01:51:26,660 --> 01:51:24,540 objects were hovering around so channel 2661 01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:26,670 seven put in a bit of bit of effort into 2662 01:51:30,620 --> 01:51:29,370 into into investigating in and they 2663 01:51:32,140 --> 01:51:30,630 recorded that's on yeah that's on our 2664 01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:32,150 website 2665 01:51:38,660 --> 01:51:35,690 WWF Oh a calm you can go watch that that 2666 01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:38,670 that very report that came out the next 2667 01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:40,050 day oh that's great 2668 01:51:45,890 --> 01:51:42,570 so what it was if someone goes to your 2669 01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:45,900 website the association's website well 2670 01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:48,770 first of all can you give that out 2671 01:51:59,930 --> 01:51:51,570 certainly so that I'm on my Australian 2672 01:52:05,090 --> 01:51:59,940 accent but it's WWB UFO I am calm okay 2673 01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:05,100 not a you okay and and canned like the 2674 01:52:11,420 --> 01:52:07,010 listener go on that website and actually 2675 01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:11,430 read about some of these sightings not 2676 01:52:14,780 --> 01:52:12,719 they saw yeah there might be a little 2677 01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:14,790 bit about melting on there but none is 2678 01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:18,090 doesn't stuff beyond that this is all my 2679 01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:20,489 all the for the work that I'm working on 2680 01:52:24,410 --> 01:52:22,890 at the moment with my team to bring this 2681 01:52:26,690 --> 01:52:24,420 stuff out in some type of a format that 2682 01:52:28,430 --> 01:52:26,700 people can access via a very hopefully 2683 01:52:29,630 --> 01:52:28,440 what I'm going to produce pretty so well 2684 01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:29,640 in the next few months I'll hopefully 2685 01:52:35,150 --> 01:52:32,130 have a a book or booklet available okay 2686 01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:35,160 so as far as someone doing like research 2687 01:52:39,500 --> 01:52:36,690 in Australia or something like that 2688 01:52:43,370 --> 01:52:39,510 that's not really a tool that websites 2689 01:52:45,500 --> 01:52:43,380 not really a tool for that I well it is 2690 01:52:47,420 --> 01:52:45,510 it's a resource I mean there's lots of 2691 01:52:49,580 --> 01:52:47,430 information on there about got all sorts 2692 01:52:51,770 --> 01:52:49,590 of videos on there for instance archival 2693 01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:51,780 videos so you can go watch videos about 2694 01:52:58,190 --> 01:52:54,570 you know Fred Valenti or whatever and 2695 01:53:00,260 --> 01:52:58,200 people go to our YouTube channel that's 2696 01:53:03,950 --> 01:53:00,270 the easiest way to access most of those 2697 01:53:07,370 --> 01:53:03,960 videos so that was a view fart TV be UFO 2698 01:53:10,370 --> 01:53:07,380 a TV if you google that then you'll see 2699 01:53:12,590 --> 01:53:10,380 all out most of their videos occur under 2700 01:53:15,590 --> 01:53:12,600 our channel okay now I know the the 2701 01:53:18,740 --> 01:53:15,600 Outback is an area where there's very 2702 01:53:21,060 --> 01:53:18,750 very low population but are there is 2703 01:53:24,930 --> 01:53:21,070 there any key sightings 2704 01:53:29,839 --> 01:53:24,940 of of you know historical sightings in 2705 01:53:32,729 --> 01:53:29,849 that in the outback oh this certainly is 2706 01:53:35,459 --> 01:53:32,739 it's outside of my area it's not where I 2707 01:53:37,950 --> 01:53:35,469 where I'm based but over in the outback 2708 01:53:39,930 --> 01:53:37,960 area there's been lots of I suppose a 2709 01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:39,940 lot of it's relatively anecdotal to a 2710 01:53:43,890 --> 01:53:42,010 certain extent you can drive out to the 2711 01:53:46,410 --> 01:53:43,900 middle of the Northern Territory to a 2712 01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:46,420 town called Wycliffe well which claims 2713 01:53:51,149 --> 01:53:49,090 to be the Australian UFO capital e well 2714 01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:51,159 and there's all sorts of yeah there's 2715 01:53:56,339 --> 01:53:53,250 all sorts coming what would it be like 2716 01:53:58,680 --> 01:53:56,349 millon on territory would be like being 2717 01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:58,690 in the Nevada desert or Arizona 2718 01:54:05,189 --> 01:54:01,199 somewhere like it's you know it's arid 2719 01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:05,199 red dirt country you know so it's pretty 2720 01:54:09,419 --> 01:54:07,449 dark pretty lonely pretty sparsely 2721 01:54:10,740 --> 01:54:09,429 populated there's lots of reports from 2722 01:54:12,419 --> 01:54:10,750 people out there driving around 2723 01:54:15,859 --> 01:54:12,429 encountering all sorts of strange lights 2724 01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:15,869 out there there's Aboriginal stories of 2725 01:54:20,939 --> 01:54:19,449 UFOs and historical contact with all 2726 01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:20,949 sorts of beings if you go through the 2727 01:54:26,129 --> 01:54:23,650 rich Aboriginal history that's a big job 2728 01:54:29,629 --> 01:54:26,139 in itself that probably needs more work 2729 01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:29,639 by a dedicated researcher I see haha 2730 01:54:36,180 --> 01:54:33,730 okay well great it's been I hope when 2731 01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:36,190 you do write your book that you make 2732 01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:37,840 sure that you get in touch with me 2733 01:54:42,780 --> 01:54:40,210 because I'd like to know do you have any 2734 01:54:45,959 --> 01:54:42,790 plans for actually getting it done and 2735 01:54:47,609 --> 01:54:45,969 published and all that yeah Jo I do I 2736 01:54:50,399 --> 01:54:47,619 think I think it'll probably come out in 2737 01:54:53,069 --> 01:54:50,409 the next three to fall down soon Wow 2738 01:54:55,459 --> 01:54:53,079 yeah yeah I'm really really got to burn 2739 01:54:58,979 --> 01:54:55,469 the midnight oil and get stuck into it a 2740 01:55:02,750 --> 01:54:58,989 basic I've got to go up to up to Cairns 2741 01:55:06,060 --> 01:55:02,760 in Queensland in October to do a 2742 01:55:08,879 --> 01:55:06,070 presentation at a UFO festival up in Far 2743 01:55:12,479 --> 01:55:08,889 North Queensland and I hope to have it 2744 01:55:14,550 --> 01:55:12,489 ready to take up there if I can or at 2745 01:55:18,270 --> 01:55:14,560 least a shortened version of it at that 2746 01:55:19,470 --> 01:55:18,280 point and I can always expand on it 2747 01:55:21,359 --> 01:55:19,480 because I've only just touched the thin 2748 01:55:23,879 --> 01:55:21,369 edge of the wedge we've what we've 2749 01:55:27,300 --> 01:55:23,889 discussed today so I've got a lot more 2750 01:55:29,399 --> 01:55:27,310 stuff from the from The Forgotten Files 2751 01:55:31,819 --> 01:55:29,409 yes yes I love that is that is that a 2752 01:55:34,500 --> 01:55:31,829 working title or something like that 2753 01:55:37,290 --> 01:55:34,510 it is a working title actually 2754 01:55:42,540 --> 01:55:37,300 okay and do you actually have a personal 2755 01:55:46,380 --> 01:55:42,550 website not a personal one now now I 2756 01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:46,390 don't contact Abel on Facebook or again 2757 01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:49,570 via the the Victorian UFO action website 2758 01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:52,239 my email is there people can contact me 2759 01:55:56,930 --> 01:55:53,970 there if they have any additional 2760 01:55:59,310 --> 01:55:56,940 questions or would like to know more or 2761 01:56:01,020 --> 01:55:59,320 about any of these cases that we've been 2762 01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:01,030 discussing today cellent well that's 2763 01:56:05,370 --> 01:56:02,890 great well thanks so much it's been a 2764 01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:05,380 real pleasure as always as before I 2765 01:56:09,540 --> 01:56:07,360 really appreciate you coming on the show 2766 01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:09,550 and I want to also thank you you 2767 01:56:13,140 --> 01:56:11,530 actually took a day off of work to be on 2768 01:56:13,620 --> 01:56:13,150 the show and I really do appreciate that 2769 01:56:17,210 --> 01:56:13,630 a lot 2770 01:56:19,770 --> 01:56:17,220 Oh was I not supposed to say else Scott 2771 01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:19,780 yeah Scott went for a couple of a couple 2772 01:56:23,790 --> 01:56:21,730 hours you're going back to work yeah 2773 01:56:27,090 --> 01:56:23,800 yeah I'm gonna go back to work yeah it's 2774 01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:27,100 actually midday Diane right so I'm told 2775 01:56:32,340 --> 01:56:29,650 gee you guys from that's right we made 2776 01:56:34,590 --> 01:56:32,350 it we made it to Thursday yes 2777 01:56:38,900 --> 01:56:34,600 get back - alright hey thanks so much 2778 01:56:42,030 --> 01:56:38,910 Ben you take care yeah thanks mom I use 2779 01:56:45,150 --> 01:56:42,040 alright everyone so thanks so much for 2780 01:56:47,729 --> 01:56:45,160 listening to the show and also for 2781 01:56:49,650 --> 01:56:47,739 participating in the chatroom I always 2782 01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:49,660 appreciate that a lot 2783 01:56:54,150 --> 01:56:52,930 our shows will be going to be someone 2784 01:56:57,479 --> 01:56:54,160 just said in the chatroom something 2785 01:57:00,620 --> 01:56:57,489 about Russia and I will be going back to 2786 01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:00,630 Russia this year for an extended time oh 2787 01:57:07,050 --> 01:57:05,370 boy 42 days so that comes up on June 2788 01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:07,060 June 15th 2789 01:57:12,570 --> 01:57:10,210 so starting the following week I'm going 2790 01:57:16,350 --> 01:57:12,580 to run these live shows on YouTube at 2791 01:57:18,180 --> 01:57:16,360 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time 2792 01:57:21,060 --> 01:57:18,190 I hope some of you that are listening 2793 01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:21,070 live can make it I realize that it 2794 01:57:25,770 --> 01:57:22,650 really interferes with a lot of people 2795 01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:25,780 working but hopefully you can still come 2796 01:57:32,070 --> 01:57:30,010 on and check out the shows next week we 2797 01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:32,080 have Linda Zimmerman and she's going to 2798 01:57:36,450 --> 01:57:33,970 be talking about UFOs over New York we 2799 01:57:39,620 --> 01:57:36,460 had her on a while back she does have a 2800 01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:39,630 new book called more UFOs over New York 2801 01:57:45,570 --> 01:57:43,570 and she's a great guest really likable 2802 01:57:47,610 --> 01:57:45,580 I'm really excited to have her on next 2803 01:57:48,419 --> 01:57:47,620 week so that's it I want to thank 2804 01:57:51,300 --> 01:57:48,429 everyone that helped 2805 01:57:54,180 --> 01:57:51,310 with the show also Peggy she helps with 2806 01:57:56,459 --> 01:57:54,190 the Facebook page everyday she puts 2807 01:57:58,740 --> 01:57:56,469 postings up there and she's been doing 2808 01:58:00,870 --> 01:57:58,750 that for years now two or three years I 2809 01:58:03,689 --> 01:58:00,880 want to thank her for that there's about 2810 01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:03,699 twenty three thousand likes on that page 2811 01:58:08,130 --> 01:58:05,890 and if you want to like us you can check 2812 01:58:11,910 --> 01:58:08,140 out all the latest UFO news space news 2813 01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:11,920 things like that so I think that's it 2814 01:58:19,220 --> 01:58:15,090 for the evening again thanks so much and 2815 01:58:30,750 --> 01:58:19,230 remember to keep your eyes to the sky